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    ! Maybe a silly question.

    Will adam and eve be in heaven or hell. The reason being I was thinking if they sinned and didnt repent, then they will be in hell, cannot see where they may have repented of their wrong doing in genesis, the closest is an inference when they realised they were naked.

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    Honestly, I think they will be in Heaven. They had both met God in person, and I think it is very reasonable to believe that even their sins are forgiven, as there can be no doubt they knew to repent, even though the damage was done...
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    The way to salvation has never changed. It has always been through faith in God's promise to send a Savior.

    Genesis 3:15
    And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”

    They were expecting this promised seed every generation.

    Genesis 4:25
    And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, “For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed.” 26 And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the LORD.

    Romans 10:13
    For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”

    They had faith that God would keep His promise while today we have faith that God did keep His promise.
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    Default Re: Maybe a silly question.

    what dave-0 said.


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    And not only that, but God provided a blood sacrifice for them. He took away the man-designed covering for their nakedness and gave them the skins of animals, whose blood was shed so they might live. The animals were the first things ever to die physically in God's creation and they died so that those two who had sinned might not die spiritually. The skins represented the first sacrifices for sin and were the prototype of Christ. Adam and Eve therefore had their faith placed in Him. When they died physically, they would have gone to the non-tormenting side of Sheol until Christ entered in and led them out as He was Resurrected.
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    I know if it hadn't been for Adam and Eve sinning, it would have been me, Susan to take that first bite BUT since they initially did it first....do ya think I can give them a couple of kicks in heaven?





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    Quote Originally Posted by anath View Post
    I know if it hadn't been for Adam and Eve sinning, it would have been me, Susan to take that first bite BUT since they initially did it first....do ya think I can give them a couple of kicks in heaven?
    I'm sure, if not Adam and Eve, it would have been someone down the line. Let's not forget the role of that subtil, half truth telling, liar that was in the garden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfivefour View Post
    And not only that, but God provided a blood sacrifice for them. He took away the man-designed covering for their nakedness and gave them the skins of animals, whose blood was shed so they might live. The animals were the first things ever to die physically in God's creation and they died so that those two who had sinned might not die spiritually. The skins represented the first sacrifices for sin and were the prototype of Christ. Adam and Eve therefore had their faith placed in Him. When they died physically, they would have gone to the non-tormenting side of Sheol until Christ entered in and led them out as He was Resurrected.
    In agreement with Mattfivefour's post is another brother's answer to your question. This is from an evangelical university that many may regard as liberal. I don't endorse the university, but feel that this is a good answer to your question.

    Were Adam and Eve saved?
    by Ryan Turner

    The Bible does not explicitly state whether Adam and Eve went to heaven. While Adam and Eve later serve as examples of sinful failure in the rest of Scripture,1 we do know at least two instances later in the Genesis narrative where Eve exhibited faith in God.

    In our first example, Eve believed that God was going to send her a promised child, referring to Cain,

    "Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, 'I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD,'" (Gen. 4:1).

    From this first passage, we see that Eve trusted in the promise of God to provide a child.

    However, tragically, Cain actually kills Abel and God expells him from the presence of Adam and Eve (Gen. 4:12-16). Not only has Eve lost Abel, she has also lost her firstborn son, Cain. Despite her dire circumstances, Eve continues to trust God to provide. We later read,

    "Adam had relations with his wife again; and she gave birth to a son, and named him Seth [which literally means "appointed"], for, she said, 'God has appointed me another offspring in place of Abel, for Cain killed him,'" (Gen. 4:25).

    Again, Eve continues to rely on the promise of God. This time she actually receives the "appointed" child who did not cause the heartache which Cain caused her.

    Eve as an Example of Faith

    According to the Bible, humans were always justified (made right or saved) before God by faith (Gen. 15:6; Rom. 4:1-11; cf. Heb. 11:6ff). Therefore, since Eve believed in the Lord, there is good reason to believe that she was saved. Eve, in spite of her initial failure in the Garden of Eden (Gen. 3:16), can certainly serve as a model of faith and trust as a result of her later actions of faith in the book of Genesis (Gen. 4:1, 25). If Adam followed her wise example, which is likely since it was through him that Jesus came (Luke 3:38), he would have been saved also.

    The Atonement

    In Genesis 3, Adam and Eve sinned against God by eating the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. After they sinned by eating the fruit, they became aware of their sinfulness and sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves (Gen. 3:7). Then Adam and Eve, "...heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden," (Gen. 3:8).

    It is quite likely that the reference to "the LORD God walking in the garden" refers to the preincarnate Jesus. This preincarnate Jesus then made atonement for Adam and Eve by providing animal skins for their bodies, "The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them," (Gen. 3:21). Typologically, these two passages (Gen. 3:7 and 3:21) may be a reference to man's failed attempt to cover his sin by his own actions (leaf aprons), but God providing His covering (atonement) with an implied sacrifice (death of an animal to provide a covering, which points towards the once for all sacrifice of Jesus). If this is the case, then Adam and Eve would both have been saved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anath View Post
    I know if it hadn't been for Adam and Eve sinning, it would have been me, Susan to take that first bite BUT since they initially did it first....do ya think I can give them a couple of kicks in heaven?

    My little daughter has asked a couple of questions along that line....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfivefour View Post
    And not only that, but God provided a blood sacrifice for them. He took away the man-designed covering for their nakedness and gave them the skins of animals, whose blood was shed so they might live. The animals were the first things ever to die physically in God's creation and they died so that those two who had sinned might not die spiritually. The skins represented the first sacrifices for sin and were the prototype of Christ. Adam and Eve therefore had their faith placed in Him. When they died physically, they would have gone to the non-tormenting side of Sheol until Christ entered in and led them out as He was Resurrected.
    Am I wrong, or confused? When Jesus went to Sheol, was it so that the people who died trusting the Lord, but before Jesus' ministry, were given the same choice to accept, or reject Christ's sacrifice? I have heard that in order for all to be equal in the eye's of the Lord, that everyone was given the same chance. If I'm mistaken, could someone explain the difference between the Old Testament, and New Testament believers. Thanks.

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    In Luke 16:22-28 Jesus reveals that Sheol, the place of the departed dead, had two compartments. One was for the unrighteous dead; the other for the righteous dead, those who died in faith. (Hebrews 11 speaks of those who died looking for the promise. The promise, of course, being Messiah.) This compartment for the faithful was called Paradise. When the thief on the cross expressed faith in Christ, Jesus told him, "This day you shall be with me in Paradise." And he was. But when Jesus was resurrected three days later, He left Sheol and took the faithful souls with Him to Heaven. Therefore Paradise is now in Heaven and all who were ever in it are there with Jesus. That is why Paul in 2 Corinthians 12:3-4 spoke of being taken his being up to Paradise to be shown things by God.

    Note that the prophetic scripture in Psalm 68:16 which Paul refers to in Ephesians 4:8 does not say that Jesus led the captives forth. It says He led "captivity captive." "Captivity" refers to the grave, to death, and to Satan. What held the righteous souls captive in Sheol? Death and Satan who accused them before the Father because of their sin. But when Jesus won the victory over death, Satan, and the grave, He took those cruel things captive, triumphing over them. That is why we are now free from the prison of Satan. And why death no longer has a sting for Christians and why there is no longer any victory for the grave (1 Corinthians 15:55) ... for our souls will never rest there. They go directly to be with Jesus. That freedom is one of the many gifts that Ephesians 4:8 says Jesus gave men upon His Resurrection.

    As for the unrighteous dead, they remain in Sheol in torment. They will be called forth to the Great White Throne Judgment, following which they will be consigned to Gehenna, the Lake of Fire.

    Does this help at all?
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    Matt5:4, YES, that helps a lot! I still need to re-read the verses you mentioned, but I think that it clears things up somewhat. I still have trouble with the language, and it's ALWAYS helpful for me to have someone explain. Of course I'm still learning to compare the OT with the NT. Thanks!
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