
Originally Posted by
nana
Assumptions? Have you assumed that when I say "gentleness" I mean "seeker sensitive?" I don't. Have I said or implied that I want to "water down" the message? I abhor the concept of a "feel good" Gospel.
If I scream at you, do you get the message more effectively than if I just speak it to you gently. Is the power of scripture diminished when it is spoken in gentleness and humility?
Just so it's clear, the vast majority of youth I dealt with were believers. I am a believer. I still maintain that there are responses made that have a condescending tone, and I don't think it makes the point more effectively.
You seem to agree that it's OK to be gentle with a non-believer, but seem to imply that there is no need to be gentle with a believer. When Paul was writing to the church in Corinth, was he talking to any believers when he said, "If I have the gift of prophecy, and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. Does love encompass gentleness, compassion, humility? Is he saying that you can know and quote every single scripture there is, but if it is not done in love (I think love includes gentleness), it is nothing? Could "it is nothing" mean it is not effective?
Sis, it is not me that stings; it is the gospel. I never spoke anywhere about 'screaming or yelling' to anyone (Believers and non-Believers alike). That is anger, and anger is a sin. The stinging part is the gospel itself (the true gospel) which stings out of love (like I said in my earlier posts) because the Father loves His children and will rebuke them (which stings) when they need it. It is totally done out of love. By definition, God's children are Believers, so the stinging of rebuke will come to God's children, like I said in my earlier posts. It is solely for edification and discipline of His children. In my previous posts, I said that maybe we, as ministers to the faith, should be gentle to non-Believers when first trying to minister to them, like our Lord seemed to have done. That is all I was getting at before. But, like I said before, there is a difference between Believers and non-Believers, and this thread is for Believers, the children of God, for the edification of the church in these last days.
I don't think anyone in this post is speaking of screaming at someone when they talk about 'stinging rebuke'. I think all of us would agree on that. Stinging rebuke is a harsh rebuke, yes, but the type of 'stinging rebuke' spoken of in this thread comes solely from the CONTENT of the message, not from screaming or yelling at someone (the DELIEVERY) of the message. These are two separate and completely different things here. Delivery is important, but I doubt anyone here is speaking of screaming at anyone as the delivery method. They are speaking of pure 'stinging' as the content of the message, which is the true gospel (and yes, it does sting us children, including myself many times). Rebuke of a child comes from love, as Solomon pointed out. So, yes, this 'stinging' is done solely out of God's love for His children.
I never said you were seeker sensitive, and I never said that the kids you ministered to weren't believers. I just said they might not be believers. I would never say that ANYONE in particular is a nonbeliever, because ONLY GOD knows their hearts (and I would never venture to guess this for ANYONE in particular). However, spiritual maturity shows itself by hearing God's rebuke and welcoming it. Also, I did said that the Word that doesn't sting is getting dangerously close to being a watered down or seeker sensitive gospel if it isn't already. I will leave it at that. I have no apologies for that whatsoever. Everything the true Word does is completely out of love, and it does sting sometimes.
If people get angry at this, then so be it. The world hated my Master before it hated me.
I do love you, Sis, and I hope this discussion can continue in love. Like I said before, I admire the fact that you care so much for the content of this board, as I do.
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Jeremiah 31:12
12Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the LORD, for wheat, and for wine, and for oil, and for the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.
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