Armed Guard in Every School?

[SonSeeker]

NRA chief urges armed guards in 'every single school,' dismisses calls for gun control | Fox News

The NRA has come out with their solution for school violence. Placing an armed guard in every school should do the job.

[SonSeeker]

The NRA has come out with a great plan! Armed Guards in all schools!

Many schools now have School Resource Officers who are policemen but do not carry on school grounds. If they were simply armed, many schools would have that extra level of protection.

Wayne LaPierre's logic is inescapable. He said, "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to use a good guy with a gun." Also, if Congressmen and banks have armed guards, then why not schools? Are our children not worth more than a Congressman? It seems to me if any legislator voted against something like this, they should immediately lose their own security detail!

[REKG]

I kinda agree and I feel instead of giving countries that do not like us money, use that money to finance this, also Laura I., idea is also very good, last thing; every time you see a gun free zone sign or no guns allowed signs that's is nothing but an invitation for the nut jobs to make their point ( whatever it may be to justify killing people).

[REKG]

oops...I meant Ann Coulter....had one to many fish sandwiches for supper.

[SonSeeker]

Isn't it interesting how all the lefty rags have come out against the NRA's stance on this issue? What a surprise.
I wonder how they'll respond when (not if) the next school shooting occurs.

The only common thread among these major mass shootings is the perp had some mental issues and then used a gun to commit a mass shooting. It doesn't appear that Lanza really planned the shooting. It seems more like he just grabbed those guns and started shooting. Quite a bit different from the Aurora, Colo. shooting where Holmes had quite an elaborate plan. Likewise with Jared Loughner, the guy in the Tucson supermarket shooting. It makes much more sense to attack this problem from the mental health side rather than from the availability of firearms side. There are nearly as many firearms in this country as there are people, so so-called gun control can't possibly be the answer. They can't confiscate them involuntarily without risking a civil war, and voluntary confiscation gets us to the problem of only outlaws having guns.

If deranged lone gunmen can cause such grief and destruction, with very little planning, what would happen if a major terrorist attack occurred on our schools? This is something none of wants to think about, but our schools especially are extremely vulnerable. Can one lone policeman stop something like this? Maybe, maybe not. But, at least he could make a radio call for help saving valuable time.

I see this idea of an armed police officer in every school as being very advantageous. Not only would they be a presence in the event of an armed intruder, but they can help with the drugs, gangs, bullying, etc. in our schools. They can be a role model for impressionable youth who may not have one at home. I see them not as a bank guard just sitting on a stool, but as an active, positive, assistant to the faculty.

When driving, how many of us instinctively take our foot off the gas when we see a cop car? Wouldn't the mere presence of a police car help to deter criminal activity at our schools? I do know that our Highway Patrol regularly stations "empty" patrol police at locations known for speeding. And local police will do the same when requested. Hey, it can't hurt.

There are many who say the only real answer is for the return of Jesus Christ. I couldn't agree more!! But, in the meantime, He doesn't expect us to do nothing about our social problems. He expects us to pray to Him for answers, intelligently discuss these issues, come up with a course of action, and then act.

[Lily]

Parents hesitant about NRA armed schools proposal

MIAMI (AP) — The nation's largest gun-rights lobby called Friday for the placement of an armed police officer in every school, but parents and educators questioned how safe such a move would keep kids, whether it would be economically feasible and how it would alter student life. Their reactions ranged from supportive to disgusted.

Already, there are an estimated 10,000 sworn officers serving in schools around the country, most of them armed and employed by local police departments, according to a membership association for the officers. Still, they're deployed at only a fraction of the country's approximately 98,000 public schools, and their numbers have declined during the economic downturn. Some departments have increased police presence at schools since last week's shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that left 26 dead, but say they can only do so temporarily because of funding.

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Parents hesitant about NRA armed schools proposal - Yahoo! News

Their solution to resolve the issue around guns is to put more guns in the equation?" said Superintendent Hank Grishman of the Jericho, N.Y., schools on Long Island, who has been an educator for 44 years. "If anything it would be less safe for kids. You would be putting them in the midst of potentially more gunfire."

Is that rational reasoning? It's one thing to disagree with armed policemen in schools, but let's have an intelligent reason for not doing so. It seems to me, at least the "potentially more gunfire" would be to take down a gunman, in an effort to save lives. And that's only if a gunman would even show up knowing that someone at the school was armed.

Of course, there's always the danger of an innocent victim being in the line of fire, but at least the whole school wouldn't be sitting ducks all in a row.

I noticed that the Superintendent didn't have a solution of his own either. He just didn't want a good guy with a gun at the school.

There are more issues that could be commented on in the article and I would have to write my own article to address them all. I'm not really prepared to do that. I'm hoping others will do some commenting if they wish.

[SonSeeker]

In that same article is this comment:

But Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, one of the nation's largest teachers' unions, called the NRA's idea "irresponsible and dangerous."

"Schools must be safe sanctuaries, not armed fortresses," she said.

Although she thinks the NRA proposal is "irresponsible and dangerous", the article doesn't say whether she has a better idea. If "Schools must be safe sanctuaries", I'd like to hear her proposal for accomplishing that.

There was also this comment:

"I teach at a school that has four armed police officers on campus every day, but it's more than a quarter of a mile from the main office to my room, and I'm not even the farthest room away," said Elise Robillard, a French teacher at Westmoore High School. "If (a student) put a loaded gun in their bag and came to my classroom and pulled it out and started shooting, by the time the police officer figured out what was going on and got to my classroom, we'd all be dead. This whole hallway could be dead before a policeman got here."

Four armed police officers all within a quarter of a mile? We all should be so lucky. Why not have an alarm under the teacher's desk like bank tellers have? Just a thought.

[RanYakumo]

This isn't a terrible idea, but it's sad that we've come to this. :\

[araj54]

I won't comment pro or con for armed schools. I will point out that both recent shootings, the theater in CO. and the Sandy Hook disaster were well planned by very intelligent individuals intent on causing as much carnage as possible. These types of people (loners if you will) are difficult to stop. Think also the Norway shootings. Their intent is to cause mayhem and they will meticulously plan around any deterrent.

The best way to prevent these crimes is to catch the perp in his planning stages, but with a loner that is difficult as well, because once he decided to put his plan into action he will take care not to draw attention to himself if possible. We look back, after the fact and see possible signs of trouble that maybe shouldn't have been overlooked but were.

This bring us to another problem. Do we now start looking with suspicion at everyone that their neighbors or friends deem odd or suspicious? In some cases the answer is yes. But this neighbor "snitching" will eventually undermine even more of our freedoms. The Gulag Archipelago is a book by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, and in it you will find the end result of total loss of liberty, and it isn't pretty. As many of you know fear is the driving force behind the loss of freedom, and it will continue to be used until we are no longer have freedom.

As far as what should be done, But I do see satan unleashing more and more of his hatred on this world, and our precious children are an easy target, from atheist and LBGT indoctrination in schools, rampant child abuse, outright murder, and many more I care not to mention. I that each one of us stand in prayer against this evil, and ask God for His wisdom and guiding hand, lest we go off on some path contrary to His will.

[Joseph The Carpenter]

While I agree with the left about gun show background checks being mandatory the NRA solution seems to be the most logical.
I would also like to see more people being prosecuted for lying on the background check, currently only one percent are prosecuted.
A ten year mandatory sentence for a felon with a gun might help.

[SonSeeker]

I won't comment pro or con for armed schools. I will point out that both recent shootings, the theater in CO. and the Sandy Hook disaster were well planned by very intelligent individuals intent on causing as much carnage as possible. These types of people (loners if you will) are difficult to stop. Think also the Norway shootings. Their intent is to cause mayhem and they will meticulously plan around any deterrent.



As far as what should be done, But I do see satan unleashing more and more of his hatred on this world, and our precious children are an easy target, from atheist and LBGT indoctrination in schools, rampant child abuse, outright murder, and many more I care not to mention. I that each one of us stand in prayer against this evil, and ask God for His wisdom and guiding hand, lest we go off on some path contrary to His will.

I agree with you that the Aurora, CO theater shooting had a lot of prior planning involved, but I doubt the Sandy Hook had much if any prior planning. Lanza could have been playing video games all night and then just snapped. He got a hold of those weapons, killed mom, broke his laptop, then drove to the school and finding it locked, just broke a window, went to the classroom of his choice, and opened fire.

You're right, satan is most certainly working overtime wreaking as much havoc as possible. What if some terrorist organization decided to hit a large number of so-called soft targets in the same large city? A handful of schools and a couple of shopping malls all at once. That could be as bad as 9/11., and I have no idea what we could do about it.

[araj54]

You're right, satan is most certainly working overtime wreaking as much havoc as possible. What if some terrorist organization decided to hit a large number of so-called soft targets in the same large city? A handful of schools and a couple of shopping malls all at once. That could be as bad as 9/11., and I have no idea what we could do about it.

Praying these thing don't happen.
Israel is about the only nation that is adept at stopping most all attacks, but they have paid a high price to achieve their level of security.

As I said earlier, we need to follow God's lead in our prayer life. We are in a spiritual battle, and I believe at the very least we need to pray daily for His protection in our local areas where we live. I hope all churches are doing this.

[Everlasting Life]

Hmmmmm....what about some of the returning military guys who need employment? It seems if there was a good vetting system that jobs could be created for some of these people. I'm thinking that the schools are going to need more protection...doesn't have to be obvious...but there.

[Carl]

I think that it was Ann Coulter that said the shootings occur at gun free sanctuaries quoting someone else. So it wasn't her idea, but she brought it out again.

I think that most of the Detroit schools have a police man on site. There isn't a man power problem either most localities can deputize and train people.

The teacher's unions are against anything that will keep schools safe and educate students. They are only for money and retirement.

I think that Wayne LaPierre did mention a number of incidents where an armed citizen or police officer did make a difference. It isn't 100% but better than what we have now.

Terrorism in schools. Sean Osborn mentioned that there is a fatwa that calls for the killing of 4M USA school children and scads of adults. I don't know what our government is doing about it, but there are training camps right here in the USA.

That is one way we can be salt and light, by keeping these people with misguided views on life honest. Or at least their feet in the fire.

[Editor1]

The NRA has come out with a great plan! Armed Guards in all schools!

Many schools now have School Resource Officers who are policemen but do not carry on school grounds. If they were simply armed, many schools would have that extra level of protection.

Wayne LaPierre's logic is inescapable. He said, "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to use a good guy with a gun." Also, if Congressmen and banks have armed guards, then why not schools? Are our children not worth more than a Congressman? It seems to me if any legislator voted against something like this, they should immediately lose their own security detail!

Good grief! Has it really come to this? The way to prevent gun violence is to give more people guns?!?!?!

OK, fine, arm the schools. The shooters can just go to the shopping malls, churches, stadiums and go from there. Solve one problem and create a bigger one.

[Editor1]

While I agree with the left about gun show background checks being mandatory the NRA solution seems to be the most logical.
I would also like to see more people being prosecuted for lying on the background check, currently only one percent are prosecuted.
A ten year mandatory sentence for a felon with a gun might help.

I think the current law is five. I don't think changing it would make much difference. That would only work if people actually thought this stuff through in advance. My experience is that they do not, which is why stiffer punishments rarely make a difference.

[Lujack Skylark]

If they have armed guards in every school which is a good idea, the deranged shooters will then most likely go after school children on school buses.

We have to look at the whole picture in saving/protecting student lives. The people who hate people will always think of some plan. We live in the last days and the world is such a wicked place.

[Editor1]

Very true. You can't arm everyone in every single place. Who wants to live in a virtual war zone anyway? I've always felt sorry for the people in parts of the middle east because there is so much violence on a day-to-day basis.

[Meg]

"Good guys with guns" are proven worthless in practice:

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[Carl]

"Good guys with guns" are proven worthless in practice:

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So, Meg, what is your solution?

The problem here is that the shooters were planned and organized, the deputies were not. I did research on industrial safety teams required by OSHA for sewer and containment vessel work. The one thing they were supposed to do was Practice-Practice-Practice.

It is unfortunate that the deputy was outside in the parking lot while the shooters were inside pulling triggers and tossing hand granades. Speaking of which, no one is talking about hand granades.