U.S. Judge to decide if animals deserve slavery protection

[dcbrott99]

What is this world coming to? Animals in line to possibly get slavery protection and yet unborn children still get no protection. Homosexuals fighting tooth and nail to be able to get married while Heterosexuals are doing everything they can to get divorced. Daddy, how much longer before we get there?

Slavery protections for animals? Judge to decide - Yahoo! News

[LivnForChrist]

Sounds just about right. You can kill an unborn child but don't work that
donkey too hard! Everything is backwards.

[Robert]

I promise not to enslave the cheeseburgers...
























....just eat them.

[livin_in_the_Son]

If anything, I'm a slave to our guinea pig...everytime I go in the kitchen he starts hooting and whistling for a treat. I can't pet him though because I'm allergic, but I got the silly baby talk down pat.

[AndyM]

The worldly ways are so un-godly. No fear of God, no focus of the true God of creation means total mixed up world. God have mercy on us believers and this nation. Lord come quickly.

[readyforhome]

So what are we supposed to eat? I mean "meat is murder" right? Isn't having the animals all caged up being fattened to eat considered to be slavery? I am against animal cruelty, but I just do not consider animals as important as/equal to human beings. So they're working on considering slavery issues for animals. But the law has no problem allowing the murder of an unborn child even though it is a human being at the moment of conception. The DNA is there. I don't know what week abortions are allowed to legally go to, but I've seen the pictures and those look like human beings to me. Faces, hands and hearts. They also meet all the criteria of living beings, so I wonder what they're supposed to be?

[WKUHilltopper]

What is this world coming to? Animals in line to possibly get slavery protection and yet unborn children still get no protection. Homosexuals fighting tooth and nail to be able to get married while Heterosexuals are doing everything they can to get divorced. Daddy, how much longer before we get there?

Slavery protections for animals? Judge to decide - Yahoo! News

They've interjected in many law schools for years that animals are entitled to Constitutional rights. You think I jest? They are destroying the very fabric of this country, intentionally confusing the mind numb as an additional means to finally put the nail in the nation's coffin. This is by design.

[Kist]

It's all part of the liberal modern animal worship. You think this is bad? Over here they tried, and thank the Lord failed, to outlaw ritual slaughter on the grounds of animal cruelty. To top things off, the woman responsible for that idea is a self proclaimed christian, but clearly loves to take a stance against the Jews.

[SteveJM]

What is this world coming to? Animals in line to possibly get slavery protection and yet unborn children still get no protection. Homosexuals fighting tooth and nail to be able to get married while Heterosexuals are doing everything they can to get divorced. Daddy, how much longer before we get there?

Slavery protections for animals? Judge to decide - Yahoo! News

As soon as I read the title, I thought,"PETA." If you go to their web site you'll find, what at first seems to be, a convincing argument for moving away from meat to a vegan diet, but that's only what's on the surface. If you dig deeper, you find a very radical and contradictory organization. On one hand they say that you should have compassion for animals, when according to websites such as Peta Kills Animals, they have killed on average 85.9% of the animals they have taken in, from 1989-2010. From 2006-2010, the average is much higher. They stand on their soapbox and preach for compassion towards animals and against the exploitation of our fellow animals(we are animals according to PETA), and at the same time they are planning on launching a porn website. It's not right to exploit animals, but it's okay to exploit humans. When you look at the PETA website, and you click on ABOUT PETA, you'll find a message from the President, Ingrid E. Newkirk. In a brief message she mentions one book and one person, the book is "Animal Liberation," and its author is a Dr. Singer. Ingrid is quite impressed with Dr. Singer. For more information on Peter Singer's very radical viewpoints, one has only to search the web. In my opinion, if we left it up to PETA to have their way, we would all be eating a genetically modified vegan diet, there would be no more zoos or pets, no leather or wool for clothing or anything else, but abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, and assisted suicide would be allowed. I do believe that we are to be good stewards of God's creation which includes not abusing animals, but in my opinion, PETA takes the definition of "abuse" and their supposed defense of animals to a place where we definitely don't want to go.

[readyforhome]

I just praise God that Plan-B isn't available currently at the Pharmacy I work at. I don't know how long that'll be though. Most of the people who ask about it are guys, when the "law" as it currently stands states that to pick up/purchase this "product" one has 17 and one has to be female. I know of many people who would gladly take a child due to the inability to have children. My wife and I would. As far as this legislation is concerned, well I do have problems with say dog fighting, and people who actually abuse animals. Why purchase a pet if a person is only going to neglect and mistreat it. Then again I've seen some people treat their pets better than their own children, or at least it looked that way.

[Yehoshua]

As soon as I read the title, I thought,"PETA." If you go to their web site you'll find, what at first seems to be, a convincing argument for moving away from meat to a vegan diet, but that's only what's on the surface. If you dig deeper, you find a very radical and contradictory organization. On one hand they say that you should have compassion for animals, when according to websites such as Peta Kills Animals, they have killed on average 85.9% of the animals they have taken in, from 1989-2010. From 2006-2010, the average is much higher. They stand on their soapbox and preach for compassion towards animals and against the exploitation of our fellow animals(we are animals according to PETA), and at the same time they are planning on launching a porn website. It's not right to exploit animals, but it's okay to exploit humans. When you look at the PETA website, and you click on ABOUT PETA, you'll find a message from the President, Ingrid E. Newkirk. In a brief message she mentions one book and one person, the book is "Animal Liberation," and its author is a Dr. Singer. Ingrid is quite impressed with Dr. Singer. For more information on Peter Singer's very radical viewpoints, one has only to search the web. In my opinion, if we left it up to PETA to have their way, we would all be eating a genetically modified vegan diet, there would be no more zoos or pets, no leather or wool for clothing or anything else, but abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, and assisted suicide would be allowed. I do believe that we are to be good stewards of God's creation which includes not abusing animals, but in my opinion, PETA takes the definition of "abuse" and their supposed defense of animals to a place where we definitely don't want to go.

Man do christians ever complain about everything!! Just because theres abortion doesnt mean that a JUST law against animal CRUELTY is a bad thing...i dont see a problem in having a law that gives "rights" to animals...doesnt bother me at all...it bothers me the lack of LOVE the church has...how easy it is for the "church" to complain and grumble and do nothing...what have you done to change your community lately? or is the love of God just for you?...I dunno...i agree with most of you most of the time...but things are getting to a point that no wonder the Lord Himself said the love of many would grow cold....who is he talking about? you and me...we are the ones with His agape...the world doesnt have love to give...we are the ones...but despite this Love being sealed in us, we choose to grumble and complain about everything...even when theyre not necessarily bad...we gotta repent church....all of us...the only way people will know we belong to Him, isnt great theology and a great doctrine...perfect history lessons, or a mind to mind conversation or debate....it is LOVE...AGAPE love that defines us as HIS disciples...im seeing a lack in that love in 90% of the living stones...me included. Lord help us to love one another and the whole "kosmos" like you do Lord! But most importantly, help us fall tremendously in love with You Jesus! in your precious name, amen!!

Shalom in the Lord

[dcbrott99]

Man do christians ever complain about everything!! Just because theres abortion doesnt mean that a JUST law against animal CRUELTY is a bad thing...i dont see a problem in having a law that gives "rights" to animals...doesnt bother me at all...it bothers me the lack of LOVE the church has...how easy it is for the "church" to complain and grumble and do nothing...what have you done to change your community lately? or is the love of God just for you?...I dunno...i agree with most of you most of the time...but things are getting to a point that no wonder the Lord Himself said the love of many would grow cold....who is he talking about? you and me...we are the ones with His agape...the world doesnt have love to give...we are the ones...but despite this Love being sealed in us, we choose to grumble and complain about everything...even when theyre not necessarily bad...we gotta repent church....all of us...the only way people will know we belong to Him, isnt great theology and a great doctrine...perfect history lessons, or a mind to mind conversation or debate....it is LOVE...AGAPE love that defines us as HIS disciples...im seeing a lack in that love in 90% of the living stones...me included. Lord help us to love one another and the whole "kosmos" like you do Lord! But most importantly, help us fall tremendously in love with You Jesus! in your precious name, amen!!

Shalom in the Lord

I for one am not trying to say that I agree with animals being mistreated. What I am saying is that this whole world has its priorities wrong. Yes, there are things we can do simultaneously with being against abortion but I just think it is crazy that the same people that are supportive of abortion are also such animal rights people. To me there is a disconnect there. You can't be for violence and against it at the same time. We should be against it in all cases in my honest opinion.

[anath]

This article is not about people being cruel to animals. It's about animals having the same rights as humans and this is absurd!

the article:

SAN DIEGO (AP) — A federal judge for the first time in U.S. history heard arguments Monday in a case that could determine whether animals enjoy the same constitutional protection against slavery as human beings.
U.S. District Judge Jeffrey Miller called the hearing in San Diego after SeaWorld asked the court to dismiss a lawsuit filed by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals that names five orcas as plaintiffs in the case.
PETA claims the captured killer whales are treated like slaves for being forced to live in tanks and perform daily at its parks in San Diego and Orlando, Fla.
"This case is on the next frontier of civil rights," said PETA's attorney Jeffrey Kerr, representing the five orcas.
SeaWorld's attorney Theodore Shaw called the lawsuit a waste of the court's time and resources. He said it defies common sense and goes against 125 years of case law applied to the Constitution's 13th amendment that prohibits slavery between humans.
"With all due respect, the court does not have the authority to even consider this question," Shaw said, adding later: "Neither orcas nor any other animal were included in the 'We the people' ... when the Constitution was adopted."
Miller listened to both sides for an hour before announcing that he would take the case under advisement and issue his ruling at a later date. The judge raised doubts a court can allow animals to be plaintiffs in a lawsuit, and he questioned how far the implications of a favorable ruling could reach, pointing out the military's use of dolphins and scientists' experiments on whales in the wild.
Kerr acknowledged PETA faces an uphill battle but he said he was hopeful after Monday's hearing.
"This is an historic day," Kerr said. "For the first time in our nation's history, a federal court heard arguments as to whether living, breathing, feeling beings have rights and can be enslaved simply because they happen to not have been born human. By any definition these orcas have been enslaved here."
The issue is not about whether the animals have been subjected to abuse, the defense said. If the court were to grant orcas constitutional rights, Shaw warned the ruling would have profound implications that could impact everything from the way the U.S. government uses dogs to sniff out bombs and drugs to how zoos and aquariums operate.
"We're talking about hell unleashed," he said.
PETA said a ruling in its favor would only help to protect the orcas in the entertainment industry and other cases involving animals would have to be decided on their own merits.
Kerr said SeaWorld employees are in violation of the 13th amendment because their conduct is enslaving an intelligent, highly social species that suffers from its confinements in ways similar to what humans would experience.
Brushing animals off as property is the same argument that was used against African-Americans and women before their constitutional rights were protected, PETA says.
Shaw pointed out that argument does not translate because both women and African-Americans are people for which the Constitution was written to protect.
Miller did not specify when he would issue his ruling.

[SteveJM]

Man do christians ever complain about everything!! Just because theres abortion doesnt mean that a JUST law against animal CRUELTY is a bad thing...i dont see a problem in having a law that gives "rights" to animals...doesnt bother me at all...it bothers me the lack of LOVE the church has...how easy it is for the "church" to complain and grumble and do nothing...what have you done to change your community lately? or is the love of God just for you?...I dunno...i agree with most of you most of the time...but things are getting to a point that no wonder the Lord Himself said the love of many would grow cold....who is he talking about? you and me...we are the ones with His agape...the world doesnt have love to give...we are the ones...but despite this Love being sealed in us, we choose to grumble and complain about everything...even when theyre not necessarily bad...we gotta repent church....all of us...the only way people will know we belong to Him, isnt great theology and a great doctrine...perfect history lessons, or a mind to mind conversation or debate....it is LOVE...AGAPE love that defines us as HIS disciples...im seeing a lack in that love in 90% of the living stones...me included. Lord help us to love one another and the whole "kosmos" like you do Lord! But most importantly, help us fall tremendously in love with You Jesus! in your precious name, amen!!

Shalom in the Lord

First, I find it interesting that you reply with my quote. I just wonder what, if anything, I wrote that offends you? I stated that I don't believe we should abuse animals.

Being "against violence in all cases," as has been stated by another, beyond human against human, would require, all to be vegan, to not wear fur, leather or wool, for livestock ranchers and farmers to all be shut down, eliminate hunting and fishing, for all testing with animals to cease, no more down coats, comforters, and pillows, prohibit killing any diseased animal populations, etc. The consequences of adhering to such a position would have far reaching effects, beyond what first comes to mind. Are animals abused? Yes! Can we be more respectful in how we treat chickens, cows, sheep, pigs, wildlife, zoo animals, etc? Absolutely! However, PETA is radical, and is interested in opening any door through legislation that they can, with far reaching consequences. I personally would be fine with the elimination of zoos and animal circuses, and I believe that free range is the way to go for livestock. I *only(*correction-like to buy free range, I do eat out and can't control in that situation how my dinner was raised) buy free range chicken and eggs. I've seen the video of livestock being treated cruelly, and it is sickening and for the most part unnecessary. Are the costs going to go up if we change how we treat livestock? Yes, but I'm willing to pay for it. Are animals used in testing often times treated unnecessarily cruel? I believe so. Changes can and should be made, but PETA is extreme and anti Biblical in their beliefs. Does my opinion make me a grumbler and complainer? If so, so be it. There is plenty of love here at the Forum, you just have to look at the prayer and praise section, and I guarantee that you'll find it. When you look at the news section here, there is plenty to grumble about.

I agree with you that we need to stay balanced, and we have, as believers, much to be positive about, and yes we need to both show and share with others how they can have true joy. Have a blessed day, my friend.

[Yehoshua]

First, I find it interesting that you reply with my quote. I just wonder what, if anything, I wrote that offends you? I stated that I don't believe we should abuse animals.

Being "against violence in all cases," as has been stated by another, beyond human against human, would require, all to be vegan, to not wear fur, leather or wool, for livestock ranchers and farmers to all be shut down, eliminate hunting and fishing, for all testing with animals to cease, no more down coats, comforters, and pillows, prohibit killing any diseased animal populations, etc. The consequences of adhering to such a position would have far reaching effects, beyond what first comes to mind. Are animals abused? Yes! Can we be more respectful in how we treat chickens, cows, sheep, pigs, wildlife, zoo animals, etc? Absolutely! However, PETA is radical, and is interested in opening any door through legislation that they can, with far reaching consequences. I personally would be fine with the elimination of zoos and animal circuses, and I believe that free range is the way to go for livestock. I only buy free range chicken and eggs. I've seen the video of livestock being treated cruelly, and it is sickening and for the most part unnecessary. Are the costs going to go up if we change how we treat livestock? Yes, but I'm willing to pay for it. Are animals used in testing often times treated unnecessarily cruel? I believe so. Changes can and should be made, but PETA is extreme and anti Biblical in their beliefs. Does my opinion make me a grumbler and complainer? If so, so be it. There is plenty of love here at the Forum, you just have to look at the prayer and praise section, and I guarantee that you'll find it. When you look at the news section here, there is plenty to grumble about.

I agree with you that we need to stay balanced, and we have, as believers, much to be positive about, and yes we need to both show and share with others how they can have true joy. Have a blessed day, my friend.

oops! regarding quoting you it was nothing to do with being in agreement or not ahah..so sorry brother...actually nothing against what you said and it wasnt directed at YOU ahah...so sorry...should've clarified before :D shalom brother :)
ps: i actually agree with you btw!!

[SteveJM]

oops! regarding quoting you it was nothing to do with being in agreement or not ahah..so sorry brother...actually nothing against what you said and it wasnt directed at YOU ahah...so sorry...should've clarified before :D shalom brother :)
ps: i actually agree with you btw!!

Shalom, my friend.

[FaithInChrist]

I promise not to enslave the cheeseburgers...



....just eat them.

Does that mean we can be charged with murder for slaughtering a cow? Or putting a dog down when he is sick? This law could make many many things criminal activity.

Human life has been so devalued (I am sure Satan is jumping with joy) that we are comparing working animals to slaves. Activists stand at "save the whales" campaigns one weekend and then pro-abortion activities the next.

There are "child free" groups that are activists against anybody reproducing, but they replant the forests with care.

What is wrong is seemingly right and what is right is criminalized.

I agree, Daddy get me out of here, soon, I promise I will hang on until the end, please help us influence other's to seek You, so we can all go home together.

[SteveJM]

Does that mean we can be charged with murder for slaughtering a cow? Or putting a dog down when he is sick? This law could make many many things criminal activity.

Human life has been so devalued (I am sure Satan is jumping with joy) that we are comparing working animals to slaves. Activists stand at "save the whales" campaigns one weekend and then pro-abortion activities the next.

There are "child free" groups that are activists against anybody reproducing, but they replant the forests with care.

What is wrong is seemingly right and what is right is criminalized.

I agree, Daddy get me out of here, soon, I promise I will hang on until the end, please help us influence other's to seek You, so we can all go home together.

Amen, sister!

[Carl]

Gee, I don't know how you would define slavery with animals. Our cows all worked for room and board. None of them complained about the wages or the treatment. If they had their calves in the back 40 they would bring them to the barn. Would they expose their babies to slavery?

Our dogs and cats were free to come and go as they pleased. Us kids had more restrictions than the animals.

[FaithInChrist]

Gee, I don't know how you would define slavery with animals. Our cows all worked for room and board. None of them complained about the wages or the treatment. If they had their calves in the back 40 they would bring them to the barn. Would they expose their babies to slavery?

Our dogs and cats were free to come and go as they pleased. Us kids had more restrictions than the animals.

I am sure the cows thought about forming a union, then they saw how hard the farmer, the farmer's wife and the farmer's kids were working. The ones that acted up became cheeseburgers. They can't speak out if they are dinner.