NDAA's CIA, military targeted killings of innocent Americans

[Kenny64]

NDAA's CIA, military targeted killings of innocent Americans

NDAA's CIA, military targeted killings of innocent Americans - National Human Rights | Examiner.com

After the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA FY 2012) passed the Senate 86-13 Thursday afternoon, the world's largest human rights group updated its explanation of the bill's inclusion of targeted killings of Americans, a component already signed as an Executive Order by President Barack Obama, that the NDAA FY 2012, now being studied by the Obama administration after the White House announced the president would sign it. Aside from the defence bill furthering the Pentagon's Full Spectrum Dominance aim including permanent war for total control, Amnesty International has stated the it's giving the U.S. military free reign to assassinate Americans is a campaign Senator Lindsay Graham has led ten years.

"The National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 passed the Senate on a 86-13 vote, a solid show of support that belied the considerable opposition and debate behind it," reported the LA Times late Thursday afternoon, referring to the outcry of professional and lay human rights defenders opposing the bill.

Cutting to the chase about NDAA FY 2012's codifying targeting innocent individuals, the world's largest and most powerful human rights organization, Amnesty International has stated about the defence bill, "If someone with their finger on the trigger decides to take the view that criticizing government is providing aid and comfort to the enemy, then the critic could become a target."

"The passage of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) through the Senate last Thursday saw the culmination of a ten-year crusade by Senator Lindsay Graham (R-SC) to make the law of war apply on US soil," says Amnesty International in its statement.

Amnesty says that Senator Graham’s avowed military detention of "affiliated terrorists" captured on US soil "is not the only arrow in the military quiver."

"If the war on terror is being fought on US soil the military would also now have the authority to do what it does best – engage the enemy with kinetic force. In other words, for those of you who don’t like euphemisms, to kill people."

Amnesty points out: "As if on cue, CIA general counsel Stephen Preston and Pentagon general counsel Jeh Johnson" confirmed last week that US citizens do not have immunity they are "at war with the United States."

CodePink issued a statement Thursday about NDAA FY 2012 stating, "The 2012 NDAA effectively leaves the door wide open for human rights abuses so egregious that if they were to take place almost anywhere else in the world (Iran, for instance, or North Korea—or Afghanistan and Iraq for that matter), Congress would, at the very least, pretend to express outrage.

"Within the United States, however, passing legislation that has the potential to turn a democracy into a police state of Orwellian proportions is presented not only as acceptable, but necessary, all in the name of 'national security.'

NDAA 2012 codifies President George W. Bush's declaration boasted for the world to hear shortly after the mass murder on September 11, 2001, "You are either with us, or you're with the terrorists," an oxymoron considering the former president is a wanted man for criminal activities including torture.

The same day NDAA FY 2012 passed the Senate, Amnesty International called on the government of Tanzania to uphold its "obligations under the Convention against Torture and detain former President George Bush for, by his own admission, ordering the torture of detainees in US custody."

"Within hours Fox News had whipped up its commentariat into such a frenzy that one talking head, former Bush adviser Brad Blakeman, opined:

“'It could be taken as a call for violence against the president… I think it’s a threat upon… the former president.'

"Setting aside the fact that it takes a rather twisted mind to equate a call for the application of due process of law to a threat of violence, Blakeman’s comment comes within a whisker of accusing Amnesty International of providing material support to terrorists."

"In summary," states Amnesty, "once the NDAA becomes law, a US citizen on US soil can lawfully be killed by the US military if the military believes that citizen to be a terrorist affiliated with Al Qaeda or its allies."

As Glenn Greenwald has highlighted, indefinite detention without trial has been a feature of the so-called War on Terror from the very beginning.

Furthermore, President Obama has already signed an Executive Order claiming his right to have assassinations, "targeted killings," of Americans. (Also see: Al-Aulaqi v. Obama | American Civil Liberties Union and ccrjustice.org/targetedkillings)

The president's former assertion to assassinate Americans was quickly met on August 3, 2010 by a ACLU and Center for Constitutional Rights lawsuit against the CIA, Department of Defence and President Barack Obama in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

The Center for Constitutional Rights says that since 9/11, the U.S. government has detained thousands of men as terrorists, only for courts or the government to discover later that evidence was wrong or unreliable and release them. The profits, however, were made by holding the innocent.

In September, Deborah Dupré reported that human rights group Reprieve unveiled some 1700 documents provided by its investigators about the CIA's unlawful international kidnap-for-torture program, "rendition," the first overview of how the U.S. secret programme was structured, managed and profitable for corporations involved in torturing so-called "terror suspects" as first reported by the Guardian. Analysis of documents and evidence related to innocent Targeted Individuals in American communities listed as "terror suspects" since 911, numbering at least 350,000, has yet to be made.

Most people kidnapped and tortured used for non-consensual human experimentation according to an AFP article, Doctors had central role in CIA abuse: rights group published September. 1, 2009 and the article, "CIA doctors face human experimentation claims" from September 3, 2009.

[GlennO]

Kenny64

Bro it is unusual for me not to be buying what you're selling, but I think you may want to cut back a little on the intake of the Alex Jones Prison Planet radio.

I still don't trust my government


*Update* Kenny64 - I trust my you received my apology for my mistaken assumption, and we can move on to the meat of the NDAA.

[Sean Osborne]

Since when are Americans who have committed treason or sedition and are at war with this country innocent?

[Kenny64]

Constitutional Expert:

OBAMA SAYS HE CAN ASSASSINATE OR INDEFINITELY DETAIN AMERICANS ON AMERICAN SOIL WITHOUT ANY DUE PROCESS OF LAW


I've previously noted that Obama says that he can assassinate American citizens living on U.S. soil.

This may sound over-the-top.

But nationally-recognized constitutional law expert Jonathan Turley (the second most cited law professor in the country, one of the top 10 lawyers handling military cases, who has served as a consultant on homeland security and constitutional issues and is a frequent witness before the House and Senate on constitutional and statutory issues, who ranked 38th in the top 100 most cited ‘public intellectuals’ in a recent study by a well-known judge) said yesterday on C-Span (starting at 15:50):

[Kenny64]

Since when are Americans who have committed treason or sedition and are at war with this country innocent?

Sean: Your are correct in this assumption. Let's not throw out the 5th, 6th and 7th ammendments.
Not guilty until proven.

Under domestic law, the administration considers [assassinations] to be covered by the Authorization for Use of Military Force that Congress passed days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. In two key sentences that have no expiration date, the AUMF gives the president sole power to use “all necessary and appropriate force” against nations, groups or persons who committed or aided the attacks, and to prevent future attacks. [But the government just broadened the authorization for use of military force from those who attacked us on 9/11 to include the Taliban and the vague category of "associated forces".]



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The authorization did not address targets’ nationality or set geographical boundaries, and there was “nothing about the permission of the government” of any country where a terrorist might be found, the former official said.ALMOST ANY AMERICAN COULD BE ARBITRARILY LABELED A "TERRORIST"

As I've previously noted, this is especially concerning when almost any American could be labeled a "terrorist" if the government doesn't happen to like them:

It is dangerous in a climate where you can be labeled as or suspected of being a terrorist simply for questioning war, protesting anything, asking questions about pollution or about Wall Street shenanigans, supporting Ron Paul, being a libertarian, holding gold, or stocking up on more than 7 days of food. [And the FBI says that activists who investigate factory farms can be prosecuted as terrorists.] And see this.

Constitutional Expert:

[YeuEmMaiMai]

This isn't the first time the US Government has targeted US citizens for their narfarious needs

[Sean Osborne]

The only due process I am interested in with respect to American citizens who are members of Al Qaeda, or any other US-born terrorist enemies, is the due process of prosecuting the war to unconditional victory. If that means hunting and killing them wherever in the world they are, then so be it.

The targeted killing of terrorists by the United States government is a preemptive act of self-defense; there has never been any need for judicial proceedings in such cases, and especially in a time of war where the authority for the use of lethal means has been given by the US Congress.

However, this does not mean that a FISA court or other classified legal proceedings do not occur before an American citizen is placed on a target list. Such classified legal proceedings do in fact occur. As a result of one such proceeding President George W. Bush authorized, via a Presidential Finding, the CIA and US Joint Special Operations Command warriors authority to kill U.S. citizens abroad if strong evidence of a certain and defined threshold existed that an American was involved in organizing or carrying out terrorist actions against the United States or U.S. interests.

The Obama administration has adopted the same stance. If a U.S. citizen joins al-Qaeda, "it doesn't really change anything from the standpoint of whether we can target them," a senior administration official said. "They are then part of the enemy."

There is nothing nefarious about this. It is called warfighting.

[Twinklingofaneye]

This will be used against Christians after the rapture (maybe before?). That's nefarious to me.

[livin_in_the_Son]

This will be used against Christians after the rapture (maybe before?). That's nefarious to me.

To be rational about this....after the rapture, and after the one-world-government is put into place, it will no longer matter what laws are passed in the USA. The a-c will have complete control and it's doubtful that any constitutional rights will be upheld. It sounds a little worrying for the everyday person to imagine what a law like this could mean in the hands of the wrong person, but the only way to stop stuff like this is to call and write congress. Either way, if Obama chooses to, he can make an executive order, and it will no longer be up for a vote.

[GlennO]

Kenny64 -

CodePink issued a statement Thursday about NDAA FY 2012 stating, "The 2012 NDAA effectively leaves the door wide open for human rights abuses so egregious that if they were to take place almost anywhere else in the world (Iran, for instance, or North Korea—or Afghanistan and Iraq for that matter), Congress would, at the very least, pretend to express outrage.

"Within the United States, however, passing legislation that has the potential to turn a democracy into a police state of Orwellian proportions is presented not only as acceptable, but necessary, all in the name of 'national security.'

I've looked at the article(s) produced by the Examiner.com. I have read the the tone, tenor, and I've concluded this is a left wing blog of the Huffington style and does not meet the RFs criteria as a news source.

We have been at war against terrorists since they blew up the Marine barracks, NY Trade Center#1, the USS Cole and the list is painfully long. Unlike Pearl Harbor, our enemy has no state, but their hatred for the ideals the West is our enemy's glue.

Sadly we can not roll back the clock to the gays of Ozzie and Harriet and Leave It To Beaver. Our world is is closer to Orwell's vision.

If a citizen of America works against the our founding documents and gives aid and comfort to those who attempt to bring down our Republic, such persons should not expect to live a full natural life and have functionally renounced their citizenship.

[Sean Osborne]

To be rational about this....after the rapture, and after the one-world-government is put into place, it will no longer matter what laws are passed in the USA. The a-c will have complete control and it's doubtful that any constitutional rights will be upheld. It sounds a little worrying for the everyday person to imagine what a law like this could mean in the hands of the wrong person, but the only way to stop stuff like this is to call and write congress. Either way, if Obama chooses to, he can make an executive order, and it will no longer be up for a vote.

Bingo. Exactly correct for the here and now. The 70th Week is still some months and years into the future.

[Sean Osborne]

I've looked at the article(s) produced by the Examiner.com. I have read the the tone, tenor, and I've concluded this is a left wing blog of the Huffington style and does not meet the RFs criteria as a news source.

Me too! From what I can tell Deborah Dupre is a bit of a lefty space-cadet, tree-hugger, new ager, transformational Gaia-worshiping loon.

If a citizen of America works against the our founding documents and gives aid and comfort to those who attempt to bring down our Republic, such persons should not expect to live a full natural life and have functionally renounced their citizenship.

Yup. Roger that sir.

[Kenny64]

Sean and GlennO:
I am not discounting either of you and your points. Let there be no doubt here.

NDAA | American Civil Liberties Union » Blog of Rights: Official Blog of the American Civil Liberties Union The aclu is a good source.

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The real issue is Obumer CAN and will take way all "Bill of Rights" if he deems your a suspcisous enemy combantant.
This means to me that military, Christians and anyone who is vocal against his policies are in those sights.

[Matthew]

Bingo. Exactly correct for the here and now. The 70th Week is still some months and years into the future.

Who knows, perhaps it could be sooner then we think.

[Sean Osborne]

Who knows, perhaps it could be sooner then we think.

Matthew,

The pre-70th Week wars that must take place (Matthew 24:6) will require time to pass. The sequential wars as prophesied in Isaiah 17, Psalm 83 and then Ezekiel 38/39 all must occur and after this the seven years of Ezekiel 39:9 must occur, and then all Israel shall spend an additional 7 months burying the dead hordes of Gog's armies as foretold in Ezekiel 39:11-16. These wars must occur to prepare the world for the events of the 70th Week and the rise of Antichrist.

The Harpazo/Rapture could occur at any moment, but these things all are events appointed by God to occur at specific times prior to the 70th Week.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 also applies and speaks to this same time passage aspect. "And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time."

[Sean Osborne]

Sean and GlennO:
I am not discounting either of you and your points. Let there be no doubt here.

Kenny,

Roger that, and I understand your issues with this subject completely, but i am not worried about them in the slightest, firstly, because I do not believe they apply to non-Al Qaeda ordinary Americans, the Constitution guarantees that, and secondly, if the government wants to hunt me down and mark me for "targeted assassination" because of my faith, then by all means, come and get me, make me a martyr and I'll give all the glory to God.

American Civil Liberties Union.

FYI, I despise the American Civil Liberties Union. I also despise the the Center for Constitutional Rights; the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, and the National Lawyers Guild. They are ALL dyed-in-the-wool Leftists, Marxist and Communist groups.

These groups share an ideological framework that casts the United States government as an "oppressive" regime at home and an imperialist intruder overseas; that depicts America as a nation which discriminates heavily against nonwhites, women, homosexuals, Muslims, and people with disabilities, to name just a few designated "victim" groups; and that egregiously violates the civil liberties of terrorist and criminal suspects in the name public safety and homeland security.

[GlennO]

Sean said:

Roger that, and I understand your issues with this subject completely, but i am not worried about them in the slightest, firstly, because I do not believe they apply to non-Al Qaeda ordinary Americans, the Constitution guarantees that, and secondly, if the government wants to hunt me down and mark me for "targeted assassination" because of my faith, then by all means, come and get me, make me a martyr and I'll give all the glory to God.

Right there with ya Bro

Yeah they kill me and send me to eternity with the King.....no tears for me except... the reflection upon all the lost opportunity while I was walking around on the Earth.