Obama and His Religion

[Timna]

Obama and His Religion
by Rabbi Hanoch Hecht

Muslim or Christian, what does it mean for America?

Ever since President Obama announced his run for President, there has been endless talk and controversy about what his true religion is. Is he a Muslim or a Christian? Is Christianity the only acceptable faith for an American President? Thus far, this country has only had Christian Presidents-maybe that is why Obama felt it best to conceal his Islamic roots and faith.

Obama himself claims he is a devout Christian, and the mainstream news outlets support that claim, knocking down any suggestion that he is otherwise. But why is it so implausible to say he is a Muslim? According to Muslim law, Islam is passed down from the father, the same way according to Jewish law Judaism is passed down from the mother. Obama's father was a
Muslim, so according to Islam that makes him a Muslim too, whether he acknowledges is it or not. His name is an Islamic name, and for a big part of his childhood he was raised as a Muslim.

Obama and His Religion - Op-Eds - Israel National News

[micah719]

Matthew 7:13-23
13 Enter through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and spacious and broad is the way that leads away to destruction, and many are those who are entering through it.

14 But the gate is narrow (contracted by pressure) and the way is straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you dressed as sheep, but inside they are devouring wolves.

16 You will fully recognize them by their fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?

17 Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears good fruit [worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree bears bad (worthless) fruit.

18 A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear excellent fruit [worthy of admiration].

19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.

20 Therefore, you will fully know them by their fruits.

21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven.

22 Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name and driven out demons in Your name and done many mighty works in Your name?

23 And then I will say to them openly (publicly), I never knew you; depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].


20 years in "Pastor" Wright's "assembly" without noticing anything amiss? One of the staunchest abortion and sodomite "rights" supporters? Friend of people like Alinsky and Ayers? Spends millions to lock up his documents and yets speaks about openness? Bows to pagan despots but snubs the leadership and officials of the only democracy in the Middle East? Blocks and delays previously agreed arms sales to that democracy but expedites 20 times that amount to one of the worst aforesaid despots, which is a sworn enemy of the democracy and whose citizens were instrumental in supporting and carrying out 9/11? A man that muffs a brilliant opportunity to explain the rudimentary basics of faith in Jesus and repeatedly refuses to utter the sole foundational Source of Authority for the US Constitution and laws? A man that is clearly forcing Israel to make dangerous concessions but ignoring the lack of demonstrated willingness and cooperation from terrorists? A man that decrees that clear and present enemies of the nation and its essence may not be spoken of as such?

Hmmmm.

[MikeD]

Hmmmmmm is right Micah719. Yet, so many people, especially those in the media, just seem to look past all this as tho' it were nothing! Oh, no big deal. Nothing to worry about. He's doing his job as President.

Well, yeah, he may but, how much is he selling out this country, and Israel, in the process!!

But, then again, I'm not supposed to ask that, am I????

[micah719]

Careful, Comrade D, even thinking such things is a crime. Expressing them in a way that someone may receive such information is bordering on rebellion against the people's dearly beloved wise and benevolent representative guardians, and as such is treason and sedition.

According to the UN/WHO/WCC, we're mentally sick, according to your government you are a terrorist, and I'm not sure what mine thinks of me but I'm certain it isn't anything good (in the traditionally accepted transcendental objective exclusive moral meaning of good, as in the opposite of bad or even that nonPC word "evil").

At an appropriate opportune time we will be:

• taken to a re-education facility for the good of our mental hygiene and the safety of our fellow citizens, or
• humanely removed from the carbon cycle once our productive contribution to the new enlightened world order of peace and bliss in unity and diversity falls below sustainable levels, or
• translated by space aliens to an alternative plane of existence for further evolutionary processing while the rest of the planet enjoys the utopian idyll we would otherwise have continued to disturb and retard.

In the meantime everything we do and say is being watched and noted for future reference. Sentient spiritual entities from the higher plane of existence are assisting in monitoring and will be present to support and motivate enforcement personnel when active measures are taken.

[Momof3angels]

Careful, Comrade D, even thinking such things is a crime. Expressing them in a way that someone may receive such information is bordering on rebellion against the people's dearly beloved wise and benevolent representative guardians, and as such is treason and sedition.

According to the UN/WHO/WCC, we're mentally sick, according to your government you are a terrorist, and I'm not sure what mine thinks of me but I'm certain it isn't anything good (in the traditionally accepted transcendental objective exclusive moral meaning of good, as in the opposite of bad or even that nonPC word "evil").

At an appropriate opportune time we will be:

• taken to a re-education facility for the good of our mental hygiene and the safety of our fellow citizens, or
• humanely removed from the carbon cycle once our productive contribution to the new enlightened world order of peace and bliss in unity and diversity falls below sustainable levels, or
• translated by space aliens to an alternative plane of existence for further evolutionary processing while the rest of the planet enjoys the utopian idyll we would otherwise have continued to disturb and retard.

In the meantime everything we do and say is being watched and noted for future reference. Sentient spiritual entities from the higher plane of existence are assisting in monitoring and will be present to support and motivate enforcement personnel when active measures are taken.

The whole thing would be laughable if it weren't about to become such a dreadful reality.

[WazOz]

Reading the strories online about his Indonesian trip and the teachers that tell the story of how he insisted reading and learning from the Kuran, against his mothers wishes.
AS a schoolboy in Jakarta, Barack Obama attended Muslim prayer sessions with his classmates against the wishes of his mother.

The US President's former grade three teacher said that Mr Obama - who was known as "Barry" when he attended the Menteng One school in Jakarta - studied the Koran and went to classes on Islam, despite the objections of Ann Dunham, a Catholic.

The teacher's recollections will add to speculation about Mr Obama's links to Islam during his much-anticipated visit to Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as part of his ten-day tour of Asia.

His middle name, Hussein, and the fact that his stepfather was a Muslim, have combined to perpetuate rumours about Mr Obama's religious leanings. The number of Americans who think that he is a Muslim has grown since his inauguration to one in five.


Mr Obama moved to Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, when he was 6, and lived there for four years. In his memoirs he recalled his time in the country as the "bounty of a young man's life" and there is affection and pride among Indonesians for the boy who ended up as President of the United States.

The teacher, Effendi, who taught at Menteng One for 29 years, remembers Mr Obama as a "fat, curly-haired, curious boy". The school had an international mix of pupils, including Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims.

Mr Obama attended classes on Islam while the Christians attended classes on Christianity, said Effendi. Barry, he said, was alone among the pupils in that he insisted on attending both. No wonder he is confused

"His mother did not like him learning Islam, although his father was a Muslim. Sometimes she came to the school; she was angry with the religious teacher and said 'Why did you teach him the Koran?'" said Effendi.

"But he kept going to the classes because he was interested in Islam. He would also join the other pupils for Muslim prayers."

Questions over Mr Obama's religion were fuelled, in part, by comments about his Muslim roots made by Hillary Clinton during the Democratic party leadership campaign.

The conservative American media took the speculation further by claiming that Mr Obama attended a madrassa - Islamic school - as a child. Mr Obama's former classmates, however, have dismissed the claims as nonsense.
Barack Obama joined Muslim prayers at school, teacher says | The Australian

[Old Fashioned Baptist]

The lame stream media, sodomites, nor the liberal Democrat supporters (Pro abortion groups) would never have supported or cast a vote for Obama if he was Christian. Christians do not support any kind of abortion,
neither do any support removing the "don't ask, don't tell policy"that is currently employed by our Military or gay rights.



Matthew 7:15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

1 Corinthians 6:9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

2 Timothy 3:12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

[Robert]

What concerns me isn't Obama, the House, Senate, or even Supreme Court; it's the NATION that voted for the people we now complain about IN THE FIRST PLACE. If we think these people in office are nothing to scream home about, then we should take a closer look at a nation that is doing all the things that brought God's judgment down on his own chosen nation over 3,000 years ago. We have forgotten God, and now that we have been given leaders that mirror this nation's own depravity and cold-heartedness, greed and sloth, wrath and foolishness, the people cry out in anguish?

THAT THEY WOULD CRY OUT IN ANGUISH THAT THEY SINNED AGAINST THE BLAMELESS ONE INSTEAD!!!!


And Micah: quite frankly, I don't care what it is the UN/WHO/WCC/ THINK they plan on doing.

I have a job to do, and until MY boss says my job is finished one way or another, the UN/WHO/WCC/Girl Scouts and whoever else can sit there with a dumb look on their faces. But I am not going to sit there and cry "woe is me" and that the sky is falling because I see dark storm clouds on the horizon, nor am I going to panic about all the horrible stuff that can happen to me.

They want to watch? Good. Then that means they are listening to the message I am relaying. They want to mark and record? Fine. Then they have confirmed that they heard the words that the Lord told me in scripture to speak. They desire to take "active measures?" What can man do to me much more than kill me?

“I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him! Are not five sparrows sold for two cents? Yet not one of them is forgotten before God. Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows." (Luke 12:4-7, NASB, emphasis mine)

Tell me: did any of the apostles run in terror at the signs of persecution?

No; a number of the apostles were imprisoned and beaten by the High Priest and the Sanhedrin at Jerusalem (Acts 5:17-42, NASB). Paul was stoned practically to death, yet got back up afterwards and went back into the city of Lystra (Acts 14:19-23, NASB). He had been through a number of beatings, stoning, shipwrecks, in peril from all sorts of dangers, hungry, naked, cold, you name it ( 2 Corinthians 11:24-28, NASB).

But I REFUSE to cave in to FUD and start crying that we're all bound for FEMA camps and mental reprogramming, liquidation and whatnot. Regardless of whatever happens, my assignment is clear, and whether I perform my task free or in shackles is NOT up to me to decide, for I AM NOT MY OWN, BUT BOUGHT WITH A PRICE. I go where He sends me and if it is to my death, then to my death must I go, knowing that the trials of this life are nothing compared to the glories that are yet to come. To serve my Saviour and be able to place at least one crown before the blessed feet that were pierced along with his hands at Calvary for my sin means more to me than "fighting for my rights".

What rights do I have, save those that the Sovereign Lord of all creation has given unto me?

So, if you wish to label me a 'leaven-lover", that is your privileged and I will not debate you on it. Label me as you wish. But I do not strive for men's accolades, nor for the fleeting wreaths and crowns of this life, but for the incorruptible crown that the Lord gives. And if the Lord decides in his wisdom that in this life, I, like Paul before me, must be poured out as a sacrifice upon the altar, then let his will, not my own be done. Just as Jesus asked that the cup be taken from him, but nevertheless, Abba's will, not his own, be done, I ask likewise. I do not seek to die, but my life is the Lord's and he uses it as he wishes.

All for his glory, not my own.

I am not looking to the coming storm, searching for the hidden Antichrist, or the armies of doom who are purported to storm us any moment and seize all few us; I am looking to the Resurrection and the Life, the HOLY ONE OF GOD, the ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, the beginning and the ending, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. I am placing myself in the hands of the one who is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, without whom no man may approach the Father. I am looking to the One whom shattered the powers of death and hell when he rose again from the cold tomb on Easter Morning. I am looking to the Righteous one, the Messiah, whom the father sent to be a propitiation for our sins, and not just ours but the sins of the whole world. I am looking to the One whom is called FAITHFUL and TRUE.


I AM LOOKING TO JESUS CHRIST AND NOT THE SHADOWS OF THIS WORLD.

[micah719]

Should I have mentioned I was being sarcastic and pedantic in that last post about some of the less funny realities of this world? Or that I was being humourous with fellow Comrade Mike D of the USSRA province of the global soviet, in the previous one?

The shadows of this world....including your self-created images? I'm sorry I took you off ignore, I'll remedy that immediately. Before you go around hanging labels like legalist you should consider that when walking in the Spirit we keep the Commandments, not break them, and the one about making images still stands as do the ones about murder and lying. Please don't sidetrack it into arguing about works salvation or lawkeeping, it is about our walk and not going beyond Scripture, which producing and distributing images out of your imagination and human tradition strongly influenced by the world's biggest faux-Christian cult (RCC) is. I tried explaining why I abhor such images, because they give a false picture and impression of The Lord, and that I prefer not to have them float to the surface of my mind when praying, but I doubt a request to stop it for my sake is important enough for you to take notice. As I tried to explain in the past but was silenced, I get enough unwanted exposure to false images purporting to be of The Lord Jesus Christ without having them forced on me here, and then get labeled when I earnestly and honestly explain why these things sadden me. So if you dislike labels, don't start the ball rolling. Keep your idolatry since it means so much to you, and your inability or unwillingness to read plain English and understand different genres of writing, and please put me on ignore as well, because I can't see your words or picture after this. Sad that it is this way. Back to thread topic...

[mattfivefour]

Stefan, I understand that you yourself find images of the Lord offensive. And I respect that. Others may not. And I respect that. Romans 14 makes it very clear that what we do out of our own faith in serving Christ is good, but what we do against our own belief is sin because we do not do it out of faith. Therefore, if you truly believe that for someone to depict Jesus Christ in his humanity is a sin and that to depict the Holy Spirit as a dove is a sin then to you it would be a sin to do so. Again Romans 14 makes this clear. But if someone else does not believe that way, they should not condemn you for believing that way. This teaching, too, is found in that fourteenth chapter of Romans. Now I have pointed out to you before that the commandment does not say we should not make an image of God. It says we should not make ANY image. And the context, when you study all of the scriptures, and the root of the Hebrew words, is that we are not to make any image for the purpose of worshiping it, adoring it, venerating it, etc. The word image actually means "idol", not just the making of an image. The very next verse in both texts of the Decalogue (Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5) prove this. And certainly the icons and statues in RCC and Orthodox churches violate this commandment ... not in their existence, but in their purpose.

Now. because of a proper exegesis of the Decalogue, I do not view the depiction of Jesus in portraying the gospel message, whether in art or in film, a violation of the fourth commandment because the purpose is not the worship of the image but the telling of a story and the depiction of the gospel message. To say we can draw pictures of plants, trees, birds, fish, animals, etc and perhaps other human beings, but not Jesus is adding to God's Word. And that is sin.

However, to say we cannot draw, paint, or photograph ANYTHING on earth or in heaven, then that is consistent with a literal interpretation of the fourth commandment and, while I disagree, I fully support your position in faith if that is what you believe and I rebuke anybody who would condemn you for doing so. That, also, is the teaching of Romans 14. But God's Word is clear that you yourself may not condemn those who believe differently on this matter than you, providing that their belief is not contrary to God's Word. Therefore, just like the early Christians who ate meat offered to idols were not permitted to scorn those whose conscience did not permit them to do so, neither were those who refused such meat permitted to condemn those who ate it. And that holds true for you as well in THIS matter.

So I respectfully ask that you hold to your beliefs without condemning those who hold a differing belief and who do so also in full faith that they are serving God just like you. Were the bible to have said you shall not make any image at all, then you would be correct and there would be no question on this matter. But it says YOU SHALL NOT MAKE GRAVEN IMAGE (which word without any etymological doubt whatsoever means religious idol) ... AND BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP IT. None of that is the purpose or the result of Roberto's, Robert's, or anybody else's paintings, photography or motion pictures. Therefore let us each hold to our views, knowing that we do so to please God and wish not to violate his clear Word.

Love indeed covers a multitude of sins and the judgment of another over an issue in which God permits both views sets love aside and harms the unity of the body.