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    Officials estimate that 500 people were massacred in night-time raids by rampaging Muslim gangs near the city of Jos

    Jonathan Clayton, Africa Correspondent and Ruth Gledhill


    Dozens of bodies lined the dusty streets of three Christian villages in northern Nigeria yesterday. Other victims of Sunday morning’s Muslim rampage were jammed into a local morgue, the limbs of slaughtered children tangled in a grotesque mess.

    One toddler appeared fixed in the protective but hopeless embrace of an older child, possibly his brother. Another had been scalped. Most had severed hands and feet.

    Officials estimate that 500 people were massacred in night-time raids by Muslim gangs near Jos, the city that bestrides Nigeria’s Christian-Muslim fault line.

    Local journalists and civil rights organisations who toured the area yesterday told The Times they had counted at least 200 victims shot and hacked to death in apparent revenge for sectarian violence in January that claimed about 300 lives from the two communities. Mark Lipdo, a co-ordinator for the Stefanos Foundation, a Christian aid group, confirmed at least 93 dead in one village. “But there are corpses charred beyond recognition,” he said.


    Survivors claimed that Muslim inhabitants of the targeted villages of Zot, Dogo Nahawa and Rastat had received telephone calls two days before the attack telling them to leave the area.

    Witnesses said gangs waited at main entry points to the villages while others went from house to house, setting the homes on fire.

    Those who fled were killed at the exit points. Others were slaughtered after being caught in animal traps and nets as they ran in the dark.

    Ben Kwashi, Anglican Archbishop of Jos, said he visited one of three villages engulfed by the violence. “I could see kids from age zero to teenagers, all butchered from the back, macheted in their necks, their heads. Deep cuts in the mouths of babies. The stench. People wailing and crying,” he said.

    Nigeria’s Acting President Goodluck Jonathan, a southerner, ordered troops into the riot-affected area “to confront and defeat these roving bands of killers”, he said in a statement. Last night he sacked Sarki Mukhtar, the national security adviser, a powerful figure in the inner circle of the ailing President, Umaru Yar’Adua.

    Villagers said army assistance came too late. Christian youths accused the military of complicity in the killings.

    Survivors told The Times that entire families were killed, some to the chants of Allahu Akbar — God is Greatest. They said villagers awoke to shouting and gunfire at about 3am on Sunday.

    “They then set homes on fire and attacked men, women and children. Many were decapitated,” said Theresa Malinowska, press officer for Christian Solidarity Worldwide. Staff counted the bodies of four babies and 28 children under 5 in one location alone.

    Jos is the regional capital of Plateau State, where Christians from Nigeria’s south and Muslims from the north compete over the fertile farmland. The area has often been a flashpoint. In rioting in September 2001 1,000 people died and Muslim-Christian battles killed up to 700 people in 2004.

    Jos has been under a dusk-until-dawn curfew since January’s violence. Archbishop Kwashi said he believed a significant organisation was behind the killings because they happened during curfew, with the army in the area.

    “I think it is all Christians killed. The Muslims, I heard, had left the village. The kind of co-operation that came into play — that could violate a curfew, that could take the law into their own hand. I worry which village, which town, will be next,” he said.

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    Those that were murdered are with the Lord now, so their suffering is over. They are beyond the reach of these monsters forever, secure in the Lord's embrace.

    As much as my heart screams in outrage over this, I also feel we need to pray for those that killed these innocent people. They truly do not know what they have done in committing this vile crime, and they need our prayers to heaven. I know how everyone must feel over this, but in our hearts, we were no better than they before we accepted the Lord as our Saviour.
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    As much as I think vengence and want to cry out for justice, I have to rember that Jesus died for them too!
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    You all know that I am in no way a Muslim apologist. but we need to put this story into perspective. Two months ago, in January, mobs of "Christians" attacked Muslims in a village south of the scene of this latest massacre, murdering about 150 of them. Apparently this latest massacre by Muslims was in return for the previous massacre by "Christians".

    The troubles between these two groups is not primarily religious but tribal. The so-called Christians are largely of the Igbo and Yoruba tribes while the Muslims are largely Hausa and Fulani. The former are traditionally peasant farmers, the latter traditionally herdsmen; the former are also villagers, the latter largely nomads. There is a further exacerbating factor— the ec onomic growth of the southern tribes has been threatening the vastcommercial enterprises of the Hausa. The actual massacres have been occurring for years, with the roots of this latest series of killings going back to 2001.

    Also let's remember that the "Christians" in this ongoing war are clearly not acting as Christians. In many cases they have purposely antagonized Muslims in order to assert the superiority of their religion over them; they have also attacked Muslims, beating them and in a few cases massacring them. The Muslims have responded in kind. Every couple of years hundreds of both "Christians" and Muslims are killed in these attacks. The Holy Spirit is not pleased by violence perpetrated by Christians, regardless of their motives. However, in this case, many of the so-called Christians are Christian only in name. They are actually members of the RCC, Anglican and Baptist denominations heavily influenced by their own traditional native religions. Technically many of them could be referred to as syncretic Christians. In other words, while they may hold to certain Christian beliefs, they in fact are following another gospel.
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    Yes I have to agree Mattfivefour I would take the title *Christian* to be used very loosely here. Most RC's and and Anglicans over there have been penetrated by traditions eg voodoo and witchcraft so all in all it's quite a mixture, never the less there will be I would imagine true blood bought believers in harms way so that our prayers are needed never the less
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hebron View Post
    Yes I have to agree Mattfivefour I would take the title *Christian* to be used very loosely here. Most RC's and and Anglicans over there have been penetrated by traditions eg voodoo and witchcraft so all in all it's quite a mixture, never the less there will be I would imagine true blood bought believers in harms way so that our prayers are needed never the less
    I agree, Hebron. True Christians can often become victims when they are lumped in with the non-Christians masquerading as Christians. We do need to pray for their protection and that their witness in that strife and violence-filled country bears fruit for the Kingdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfivefour View Post
    I agree, Hebron. True Christians can often become victims when they are lumped in with the non-Christians masquerading as Christians. We do need to pray for their protection and that their witness in that strife and violence-filled country bears fruit for the Kingdom.
    This is precisely what The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth warned of in the parables of the sower, the wheat and tares, the mustard seed, and the leavened lump. Matthew 13:1-53, Luke 13:18-21.


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    Now I feel dumb; I should have suspected this.
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    prayers for all involved , I just find it hard to believe, Christian, non Christian and Muslim alike can do this to another human being, this very mentally and Spiritually sick World needs it's saviour back.

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    I don't give a rat's behind about the historical reasons for the hatred--Satan is on a hate-filled rampage and this is the end result. It's sick, it's evil.

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    What is going on in Nigeria is no different at its root than what is going on in the rest of the world, what Islam refers to a Dar-al-Harb (The Land of War). What is going on is Islamic Jihad against everything non-Islamic. The war in Nigeria began with the imposition in February 2000 of Islamic shari'a in 4 northern provinces. All non-Muslims must submit to the totalitarian, satanic dictates of Islam or be cold-bloodedly introduced to the blade of a machete. This march of Islamic conquest has now conquered 12 Nigerian provinces.

    I am amazed to see that no one here recognizes that the Al Qaeda inspired jihad we read about in these kinds of reports was narrowly averted in the skies and on the ground of Detroit Michigan, as one of these very same Nigerian jihadists descended upon us.

    Ecclesiastes 3 says there is a time for peace and a time for war. No doubt about it, this is a time of war and this Christian soldier knows what to do and how to do it.

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    It is not that some are denying or are oblivious to the fact that Islam wants to rule the world that is not the issue here, the issue here is the word 'Christian' being used, I doubt that there would be born again believers chopping people up or taking part in any carnage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Osborne View Post
    What is going on in Nigeria is no different at its root than what is going on in the rest of the world, what Islam refers to a Dar-al-Harb (The Land of War). What is going on is Islamic Jihad against everything non-Islamic. The war in Nigeria began with the imposition in February 2000 of Islamic shari'a in 4 northern provinces. All non-Muslims must submit to the totalitarian, satanic dictates of Islam or be cold-bloodedly introduced to the blade of a machete. This march of Islamic conquest has now conquered 12 Nigerian provinces.

    I am amazed to see that no one here recognizes that the Al Qaeda inspired jihad we read about in these kinds of reports was narrowly averted in the skies and on the ground of Detroit Michigan, as one of these very same Nigerian jihadists descended upon us.

    Ecclesiastes 3 says there is a time for peace and a time for war. No doubt about it, this is a time of war and this Christian soldier knows what to do and how to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hebron View Post
    It is not that some are denying or are oblivious to the fact that Islam wants to rule the world that is not the issue here, the issue here is the word 'Christian' being used, I doubt that there would be born again believers chopping people up or taking part in any carnage
    Well, I can say for a fact I haven't chopped anyone up this week, but last week I was a little short on hamburger and I saw this big, beefy football player walking outside...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Well, I can say for a fact I haven't chopped anyone up this week, but last week I was a little short on hamburger and I saw this big, beefy football player walking outside...

    Brother ... um ... I must say ... that ... is ... um ... disturbing.


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    It is not that some are denying or are oblivious to the fact that Islam wants to rule the world that is not the issue here, the issue here is the word 'Christian' being used...
    Nonsense. Baloney. Rubbish. And quite simply astoundingly ignorant of the truth. This information is absolutely not based in the facts as they are occurring on the ground in Nigeria. I find the calling into question the devotion to Christ of our Nigerian brethren most unfortunate and on some levels exceptionally ignorant of the truth of the matter in Nigeria.

    Recent atrocities included this eyewitness account which clearly states that Christian pastors were beheaded for refusing to renounce their faith in Christ and accept Islam (Submission).



    One of the victims of last week’s attack by the Yusufiya sect in Borno State has given a shocking account of how the Islamic extremists killed three pastors who were captured along with other victims on the second day of the insurgence. The victim was among those held hostage in Yusuf’s enclave.
    Speaking exclusively to Daily Sun in Maiduguri, the eye witness who preferred anonymity disclosed that the three pastors were beheaded on the instruction of the sect leader, Mohammed Yusuf shortly after bringing them out of his inner chamber.

    “The pastors alongside one Ibo man were asked to change their faith to Islam like they did to other people taken as hostages. I think there was an argument by one of the pastors which gave the others some level of confidence to also resist accepting Islam.

    “The Yusufiya men who were armed on that Tuesday afternoon were not comfortable with the pastors and they took one of them to the sect leader in his inner chamber. They came out later to the courtyard within the compound and cut their heads one after the other and thereafter, shouted allah akbar in wild celebration accompanied with several gun shots,” the eye witness disclosed.

    He said the hostages numbering about 50 within the area of the execution of the pastors and another fair complexioned man which he could not identify, were gripped with fear as non could foretell the outcome of their stay at the enclave of the fundamentalists. He was however lucky to escape as he was freed in the night with others with a warning not to mix with kafrici (infidels).

    Corroborating the account of the killing, a Senior pastor with Good News Church, Wulari Maiduguri Rev. Baba Gata Ibrahim told Daily Sun in an interview that a pastor in his church, Pastor George Orjih was beheaded on the instruction of the Boko Haram leader because the clergy man refused to accept Islam.

    “An eye witness who was also captured by the Islamic militants gave us details of how the pastor was killed. He told us they were persuading him to accept Islam and he said over his dead body. He was even said to have preached Christ to Mohammed Yusuf and that reportedly angered the sect leader who then as he ordered that the pastor and others be killed immediately,” he disclosed....
    Here are some other pertinate facts:

    The area of Jos is where a highly regarded evangelical Christian seminary is located. If the seminarians are caught either going to or from their school they are executed on the spot. It is only a matter of time before the seminary is over-run by jihadists and everyone inside slaughtered like animals.

    News reports coming out of Nigeria, which is a Muslim government-controlled media, are laced with outright fabrications of atrocities being committed by "Christians." This is no different than the rubbish spouted in the Western world by our own media and the godless Left.

    Christians are being driven out of their homes, entire regions are being completely depopulated of Christ-loving brethren. They either flee for their lives or they are executed in cold blod. The Muslims attack Christian churches on Sunday when they are packed with worshippers.

    Need I say more? Educate yourselves about the plight of our brethren the world over in the face of Islamic onslaughts.

    And some think that in similar circumstances they would not take up arms and wage war against Satan's decieved minions? If some people really believe that, well, I know of a bridge in Brooklyn I'd been willing to sell to such gullible, ignorant people.

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    Sean, nobody is questioning the faith or the persecution of our brethren over in Nigeria. The issue raised (by me) and to which Hebron was responding was that on some ocasions "Christians" in Nigeria have engaged in massacres of Muslims. No, these are not true followers of Jesus Christ, for no true believer would do such a thing. But they go by the name Christian; and because the world views anybody who says they are a Christian as a Christian then when revenge is meted against Christians it is meted against the faithful as well as the false. Our faithful brethren in Nigeria (and elsewhere) are suffering doubly— at the hands of the false believers and as a result of the actions of the false believers.

    When we add that to the outright persecution true Christians are receiving at the hands of true Muslims, we can see just how heavy a cross they are carrying ... and how important it is we pray for them ... and for the people amongst whom they live and to whom they are witnessing.
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    "Christians" in Nigeria have engaged in massacres of Muslims.
    Matt,

    Precisely where did the information originate that "Christians" had massacred Muslim's in Nigeria?

    Where is the "proof" that such an event actually occured as reported?

    Did that information not originate with the Muslim-controlled media of the government of Nigeria? (We all know Muslims lie. They practice al-Taqiyya.)

    And if so, do you indeed accept it as an unassailable fact and the reality of the situation in Nigeria, or it is possible that the reports are wholesale disinformation, and that disinformation has now been further propagated in this thread to be accepted as fact?

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