Snippet on God's Sovereignty

**mikhen7** · February-20th-2012, 09:53 AM

I was reading a snippet of the work, "Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God" by J. I. Packer this morning and one of the many approaches he used to show God's Sovereignty jumped out at me and I thought I would share it.

How, then, do you pray? Do you ask God for your daily bread? Do you thank God for your conversion? Do you pray for the conversion of others? If the answer is ‘no’, I can only say that I do not think you are yet born again. But if the answer is ‘yes’—well, that proves that, whatever side you may have taken in debates on this question in the past, in your heart you believe in the sovereignty of God no less firmly than anyone else. On our feet we may have arguments about it, but on our knees we are all agreed (Packer. Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God. p. 17).

The bold text speaks a lot about how some feel they must work out their salvation by their own efforts (on our feet) but on our knees we all give God thanksgiving for His daily provisions and provisioning work in reaching hearts that we know we have no power to do. The question is shouldn't we live "On our Feet" the same way as we live "On our knees"?

Just something to think about the next time you pray!

God Bless!

**micah719** · February-20th-2012, 01:24 PM

Packer is Dodgy. There are far better and safer sources for doctrine and devotionals.

**mikhen7** · February-20th-2012, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by micah719

Packer is Dodgy. There are far better and safer sources for doctrine and devotionals.

No worries, I read a lot of different authors to see where others are coming frm. i just think what he said above makes a lot of sense.

God Blesss bro!

**Elijah's Mantle** · February-20th-2012, 06:07 PM

On our feet we may have arguments about it, but on our knees we are all agreed (Packer. Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God. p. 17).

The bold text speaks a lot about how some feel they must work out their salvation by their own efforts (on our feet) but on our knees we all give God thanksgiving for His daily provisions and provisioning work in reaching hearts that we know we have no power to do. The question is shouldn't we live "On our Feet" the same way as we live "On our knees"?

Just something to think about the next time you pray!

God Bless!

I dont know who packer is but I love the message

The question is shouldn't we live "On our Feet" the same way as we live "On our knees"?

on our knees were all agreed

**micah719** · February-20th-2012, 06:40 PM

J I Packer signed the Evangelicals and Catholics Together (ECT) in 1994. That, and many other suspicious deeds mark him as one to avoid. Ok, so some of what he says is good....it's the other stuff mingled in that's dangerous. A lack of discernment great enough to permit him to sign ECT is grounds enough to be very very cautious.

**mikhen7** · February-21st-2012, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by micah719

J I Packer signed the Evangelicals and Catholics Together (ECT) in 1994. That, and many other suspicious deeds mark him as one to avoid. Ok, so some of what he says is good....it's the other stuff mingled in that's dangerous. A lack of discernment great enough to permit him to sign ECT is grounds enough to be very very cautious.

Micah I cannot argue with you there. You are 100% correct. He has thrown in the towel with some strange bedfellows this last decade. I am not even sure if he recanted. The book I got that quote from is an older book of his published in 1961. In light of this information.... I still like the quote because it makes sense. But I will not recommend his literature to another.

Thanks for the heads up!!

God Bless