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    I am not sure if I am reading this right, but is James 1:16-17 teaching us to be religious?

    James 1:16-17
    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

    I saw this verse quoted by a Catholic website (that's obvious) but I have difficulties understanding that particular verse in general. James mostly writes about: if practicing a faith that it does not produce fruit, that faith is dead.

    I, myself am not religious, but I have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

    It would be great if someone could help me with this.

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    am guessing, no one knows?

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    Firstly, why are you going on Catholic websites and then wondering that you come away with confusion and fear? Their whole system is based on works, of course they want you to "be religious".

    Scripture explains Scripture, first in the context, and elaborated in other verses elsewhere. Study the whole of James 1 and 2, otherwise those isolated verses will continue to perplex you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by micah719 View Post
    Firstly, why are you going on Catholic websites and then wondering that you come away with confusion and fear? Their whole system is based on works, of course they want you to "be religious".

    Scripture explains Scripture, first in the context, and elaborated in other verses elsewhere. Study the whole of James 1 and 2, otherwise those isolated verses will continue to perplex you.
    I was searching for "relationship vs religion" using Google and I stumbled upon the Catholic website.
    They seem to be against relationship alone with the Lord, but at the same time they accept it if its combined with religion. I highly disagree with that.

    Ill take another try to read James 1 and 2 and I will report back!

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    This is a topic we often see in the Bible. People often perform religious oberservances but they are still inwardly unchanged by fulfilling the demands of the law or religious practices.

    God says He prefers mercy rather than sacrifice. Those who have had their hearts truly changed will be able to be merciful and so they would be the ones who would look after orphans and widows.

    The tonuge often gives away the true nature of our hearts. So you can go around looking all pious and religious but when you speak if you are not Saved and have the your Heart Changed what comes out of your mouth will give you away.

    MT 12:33 "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."


    So when you speak and your tongue is not under control of the Holy Spirit as it should be you will give yourself away and condemn yourself or show the your true nature which isn't of God. So all the Religious Laws that you have practiced and fulfilled will be for NOTHING because the truth is you are not a Saved Believer.

    Look further down in James chapter 1 and you will see where James is going with this in the following verses:-

    JAS 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

    If you recall in the Gospels Jesus was asked about the Law and which commandment was the greatest. Jesus answered them :-

    LK 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

    LK 10:26 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

    LK 10:27 He answered: " `Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, `Love your neighbor as yourself.' "

    LK 10:28 "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

    LK 10:29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"



    The Legalist who only wants to follow the law like to know exaclty how much they have to do to be RIGHT with God. They are not interested in doing anything extra only what they really have to do.

    Jesus pointed out if you do this you will live. You will find Eternal Life. Notice the Law Expert that asked Jesus the question could not fully except what Jesus had said and wanted to narrow it down to his own terms. His heart wasn't Right with God he just wanted to observe the Law not be generous to everyone.

    REmember scripture interprets scripture and from the Book of Romans and Ephesians and Galations it is clear that we cannot get RIGHT with God through observing the Law. Salvation comes through Christ.

    Law keepers are just that those who want to satisfy the Law but their hearts have not been changed.

    JER 31:33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
    after that time," declares the LORD.
    "I will put my law in their minds
    and write it on their hearts.
    I will be their God,
    and they will be my people.

    JER 31:34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
    or a man his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,'
    because they will all know me,
    from the least of them to the greatest,"
    declares the LORD.
    "For I will forgive their wickedness
    and will remember their sins no more."


    God promised in the Old Testament that a time will come when the Law would no longer just be an external pressure on His people to do what is RIGHT but that one day it would Truly change their Hearts.

    So your religious practices or obedience to God is of no value if your Heart has not been changed. You need to repent and receive salvation through Christ which is the forgiveness for our Sins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannah View Post
    This is a topic we often see in the Bible. People often perform religious oberservances but they are still inwardly unchanged by fulfilling the demands of the law or religious practices.

    God says He prefers mercy rather than sacrifice. Those who have had their hearts truly changed will be able to be merciful and so they would be the ones who would look after orphans and widows.

    The tonuge often gives away the true nature of our hearts. So you can go around looking all pious and religious but when you speak if you are not Saved and have the your Heart Changed what comes out of your mouth will give you away.

    MT 12:33 "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."


    So when you speak and your tongue is not under control of the Holy Spirit as it should be you will give yourself away and condemn yourself or show the your true nature which isn't of God. So all the Religious Laws that you have practiced and fulfilled will be for NOTHING because the truth is you are not a Saved Believer.

    Look further down in James chapter 1 and you will see where James is going with this in the following verses:-

    JAS 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

    If you recall in the Gospels Jesus was asked about the Law and which commandment was the greatest. Jesus answered them :-

    LK 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

    LK 10:26 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

    LK 10:27 He answered: " `Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, `Love your neighbor as yourself.' "

    LK 10:28 "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

    LK 10:29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"



    The Legalist who only wants to follow the law like to know exaclty how much they have to do to be RIGHT with God. They are not interested in doing anything extra only what they really have to do.

    Jesus pointed out if you do this you will live. You will find Eternal Life. Notice the Law Expert that asked Jesus the question could not fully except what Jesus had said and wanted to narrow it down to his own terms. His heart wasn't Right with God he just wanted to observe the Law not be generous to everyone.

    REmember scripture interprets scripture and from the Book of Romans and Ephesians and Galations it is clear that we cannot get RIGHT with God through observing the Law. Salvation comes through Christ.

    Law keepers are just that those who want to satisfy the Law but their hearts have not been changed.

    JER 31:33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
    after that time," declares the LORD.
    "I will put my law in their minds
    and write it on their hearts.
    I will be their God,
    and they will be my people.

    JER 31:34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
    or a man his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,'
    because they will all know me,
    from the least of them to the greatest,"
    declares the LORD.
    "For I will forgive their wickedness
    and will remember their sins no more."


    God promised in the Old Testament that a time will come when the Law would no longer just be an external pressure on His people to do what is RIGHT but that one day it would Truly change their Hearts.

    So your religious practices or obedience to God is of no value if your Heart has not been changed. You need to repent and receive salvation through Christ which is the forgiveness for our Sins.
    Thanks sister, it all makes sense now.

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    Hannah that was a superb reply!

    We had a small group study at our place last night and this could be a bookend to your counsel:

    Gal 5:1-14
    (1) For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
    (2) Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
    (3) I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.
    (4) You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law[religion]; you have fallen away from grace.
    (5) For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.
    (6) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.
    (7) You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
    (8) This persuasion is not from him who calls you.
    (9) A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
    (10) I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view than mine, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is.
    (11) But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed.
    (12) I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!
    (13) For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
    (14) For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
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    Commentary on Verse 16

    Don't be deceived, my dear brothers.
    The apostle has argued with them about God being the author of sin; now he warns them against this blasphemy. There is no difficulty in this verse.
    Don't be deceived. Do not wander. This metaphor is taken from straying sheep. Sometimes it indicates deviating from the Word as the yardstick of truth, which we most often express by the term "error."
    My dear brothers. Speaking to them about an error, he is very meek with them, and therefore his request is loving and sweet.
    Notes on Verse 16



    Note 1.
    It is not good to brand things as errors until we have proved them to be so. After he had argued the matter with them, he said, Don't be deceived. (1) Loose slings do no good. Only fools are afraid of hot words. Facts do far better than invective. Our Saviour never denounced anyone without giving a reason for it. (2) This is an easy way to soil the holy truths of God. How often the Papists call us heretics. "These men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand" (Jude 10). If disputes were settled by argument rather than prejudice, there would be fewer differences.

    Application. So we should be less passionate and more thoughtful. We should condemn things through reason rather than through abusive language. General invectives only make superficial impressions. Identify and name the error.
    Note 2. We should be as careful to avoid errors as to avoid vices. A blind eye is worse than a lame foot. Indeed, a blind eye may cause lameness; without light, you are apt to stumble. Some opinions seem remote and theoretical, and yet they influence us; they make the heart foolish, and then life will not be right. There is a link between truth and truth, just as there is between grace and grace. So speculative errors do influence us. Some false teaching seems to encourage discipline; but when it is correctly evaluated, it greatly discourages discipline. So then, beware of false teachings in case your spirit is engulfed by them. People think nothing is to be avoided that is not an evil action and clearly wrong. But remember, there is contamination of the spirit as well as contamination of the body (2 Corinthians 7:1); a vain mind is as repugnant to God as an evil life. Error and idolatry are as dangerous as drunkenness and prostitution; therefore, you should carefully avoid everything that entices you into error, as well as those things that draw you into sin. Because error is the more plausible of the two, it is more deceptive. I am sure that many people toy with ideas because they do not know their danger. All false principles have a secret but pestilent influence on life.


    Note 3.
    Don't be deceived. That is, do not be mistaken in this matter. It is a hard thing to see how God condones the act and not the evil motivation behind the act; however difficult this is to understand, Don't be deceived. Where truths are not plain to see, people tend to deviate from them. Many truths suffer a great deal because of their intricacy. False teachings may be so similar that it is hard to distinguish them. Human nature is prone to error; and, therefore, when truth is hard to discover, we content ourselves with our own prejudices.
    All truths are surrounded with such difficulties, so that those who want to doubt easily stumble: "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" (that is, understand it) (John 6:60); and then (verse 66), "From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him." When there is something to justify our prejudices, we think we are safe enough. God leaves such difficulties as a stumbling-block for those who want to be offended.


    Truth is presented in such a way that though it is clear enough for those who want to know, it is obscure enough to harden other people in their own unbelief. People want to be spared the trouble of prayer, study, and discussion. They are loath to "cry aloud for understanding" (Proverbs 2:3); they love an easy, short route to truth, and therefore run with those mistakes that come to hand, vainly imagining that God does not require belief about those things that are difficult to understand. They do not look for what is sound and solid but what is plausible and at first sight coincides with their thoughts and understanding.

    Application 1. You see, then, how necessary it is to pray for gifts of interpretation for your ministers and an understanding heart for yourselves, that you may not be discouraged by the difficulties that surround the path of truth. Pray that God will give ministers a clear spirit and a plain expression and yourselves a right understanding. This is better than to grumble at the dispensation of God, that he should leave the world in such doubt and suspense. Chrysostom observes that saints do not pray, "Lord, make a plainer law," but, "Open my eyes that I may see wonderful things in your law," as David does (see Psalm 119:18). It is an unreasonable demand for blind people to desire God to make a sun so they can see. It is better to desire gifts of the Spirit for the minister, that the Scriptures might be opened; and the grace of the Spirit for ourselves, that our understanding might be opened, so that we may come to discern the mind of God.
    Application 2. This shows how much people who make the things of God obscure are to blame. Many people have the ability to raise a cloud of dust with their own feet, and so darken the brightness and glory of the Scriptures.
    Note 4. Note the importance of the matter. The mistake is so dangerous that James is all the more earnest. Don't be deceived. Note that errors about the nature of God are very dangerous. There is nothing more natural to us than to have wrong thoughts about God, and nothing is more dangerous. All behavior depends on keeping the glory of God unstained in your understanding. You see in Romans 1:23-24 that they "exchanged the glory of... God" and then "God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts." Idolatry is often expressed by prostitution; bodily and spiritual uncleanness usually go together. Wrong thoughts about God harm the spirit and make people lose their sense and their desire for piety. Do not let the glory of God be tarnished in your thoughts; abhor whatever comes into your mind or may be suggested by other people if it tends to eclipse the divine glory in your thinking.

    Note 5. My dear brothers. A gentle approach best shows people their errors. It is said that we must speak to kings with silk words. Certainly we need to be very tender toward people who differ from us, speaking to them with silk words. Where the matter is likely to cause displeasure, the manner should not be harsh; pills should be sugared, so that they may be easily swallowed. Many people have been lost through harshness because you make them go over to the other party. Tertullian, when he had spoken favorably of the Montanists, was forced to join their fellowship through the harshness of the priests of Rome. Meekness may win over those who are not committed. Men from another party will think everything is spoken out of rage and anger against them. Don't be deceived, my dear brothers. I would to God we could learn this wisdom today: "Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth" (2 Timothy 2:25).

    Commentary on Verse 17

    Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
    James follows on from the former matter, which showed you that God was not the author of sin, to show you that God is the author of everything good, especially the spiritual gifts and graces bestowed on us. Here is a hidden argument: the author of everything good cannot be the author of evil. Every good and perfect gift is strengthened by an allusion to the sun as James represents God, in the latter part of the verse, as essentially and immutably good.
    Every good... gift. The Vulgate has "the best gift," which fits the sense but not the original words. The gift is called good either (1) to exclude Satan's gifts, which are harmful: "blinded... minds" (2 Corinthians 4:4); these gifts from below are not good; or (2) to show the kind of gifts that he is speaking about-not common mercies but good gifts, which the apostle elsewhere calls "every spiritual blessing" (Ephesians 1:3). It is true that all common gifts come from God's bounty; but the apostle here intends special blessings, as is partly indicated by the attributes good and perfect. It is true that some people distinguish between the two words, making good imply earthly blessings and perfect imply heavenly or spiritual blessings. I think this is too fanciful. The two words indicate the same mercies.


    And perfect gift. These gifts lead to our perfection. This includes initial grace, all progress in the spiritual life, and perfection and eternal life itself. All are the gift of God. Though eternal death is a reward, eternal life is a gift; and therefore the apostle varies the phrase when he compares them in Romans 6:23. So not only the start but all the gradual steps from grace to glory are gifts and from God's free mercy.
    Is from above. That is, from heaven. Heaven stands for God, as in Luke 15:21-"I have sinned against heaven and against you"; that is, against God and his earthly father. I suppose there is some special reason why our blessings are said to be from above, because they were designed there, and heaven is their goal where they are perfectly enjoyed. Therefore, in Ephesians 1:3 we are said to be "blessed... in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing"; therefore James says, from above because blessings originate and are fulfilled there.


    Coming down. Not "falling down"; this shows (says Aquinas) that we do not have blessings by chance, but through the normal channels.


    From the Father of the heavenly lights. That is, from God. The word "father" is often used for the author or first cause, as in Genesis 4:20-21: "the father of those who live in tents," "the father of all who play the harp and flute"-that is, the author and founder. God is elsewhere called "the Father of our spirits" (Hebrews 12:9), because they are not from human descent but are created directly by God. So what is meant by Father of the heavenly lights? Some conceive that it means no more than "glorious Father," as it is usual in Hebrew to put the genitive for an epithet and the genitive plural for the superlative. But I think that God is likened to the sun, which gives out its light to all the planets; and so God, being the author of everything that is signified by light, is called here the Father of the heavenly lights. It is normal in the Scriptures to attribute light to God and darkness to the devil—as in Luke 22:53—"This is your [that is, Satan's] hour—when darkness reigns."

    Who does not change. This is an astronomical term, taken from the heavenly bodies, which have many revolutions. The heavenly lights have their vicissitudes, eclipses, and decreases; but our sun always shines with the same brightness and glory.
    Like shifting shadows. The allusion continues. Stars, according to their different light and position, have various shadowings. The nearer the sun is to us, the less shadow it casts; the farther off, the greater the shadow. So we know the sun's movements by its different shadows. But with the Father of spiritual lights there is no shadow of turning; that is, he does not change but always remains the same. This is a sun that does not set or rise and cannot be overcast or eclipsed.
    Notes on Verse 17

    Note 1. All good things are from above; they come to us from God. Evils do not come from God, because he is good. God delights in being the sole author of all our good, and therefore cannot endure that we should give that honor to another. When God was about to work miracles by Moses' hand, he first made it leprous (Exodus 4:6). Noting that God is the author of all the good that is in us prevents many corruptions, such as: (1) Glorying in ourselves. Who would glorify himself in what is from above? We think it wrong for a person to take credit for another person's work; the apostle says in 2 Corinthians 10:16 that he would not boast about work already done in another man's territory. So all the good your hand accomplishes is heaven's bounty to you. It is not your work but God's.
    (2) Lording it over others. Ungodly and weak spirits feed their evil desires with their enjoyments. The more you place on top of a straight pillar, the straighter it is; but a pillar that is bent bows under the weight it supports. So the more God puts on ungodly people, the more their spirit is perverted.
    (3) Envying those who have received most. Our eye is evil when God's hand is good. Envy is a rebellion against God himself and the liberty and pleasure of his dispensations. God distributes gifts and blessings as he wills, not as we will. Out duty is to be content and to beg grace to make use of what we have received.

    Note 2. Whatever we have from above, we have as a gift. We have nothing but what we have received, and what we have received we have received freely. There is nothing in us that could oblige God to bestow it; the favors of heaven are not for sale. When God invites us to his mercy, he does not invite us as a host but as a king—not to buy, but to take; the most welcome are those who have no money (Isaiah 55:1)—that is, no confidence in their own merits. Merit and desert are improper ideas to express the relationship between the work of a creature and the reward of a Creator; and they are even more incongruous since the fall. Sin, which indicates how undeserving we are, makes mercy even more of a gift, so that now in every giving there is some forgiving. Grace gives us even more, because in every blessing there is not only bounty but a pardon. Oh, that we were aware of this, that in all our actions we might have a sense of love and have God's glory as our goal.

    Note 3. Out of all the gifts of God, spiritual blessings are the best. These are called here good and perfect because these make us good and perfect. "If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!" (Matthew 7:11). The parallel passage in Luke 11:13 says, "give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" That is giving good gifts—to give the Holy Spirit. "There can be nothing good where there is not the Spirit of God" (Augustine). One may become tired of other gifts. An estate may be a trap; life itself may become a burden. But you have never heard of spiritual blessings being a burden. Ungodly spirits prefer soup to a birthright, vain delights before the good and perfect gifts. David makes a wiser choice in his prayer: "Remember me, O Lord, when you show favor to your people" (Psalm 106:4). Not every mercy satisfies David—only the mercy of God's own people; not every gift satisfies us—only the good and perfect gift. A similar prayer is in Psalm 119:132, "Turn to me and have mercy on me, as you always do to those who love your name." Note that these are not the mercies that he bestowed on the world, but the mercies he bestowed on his people. Nothing but the best mercy will satisfy the best hearts.

    Note 4. God is the Father of the heavenly lights. Light is often used to indicate the essences and perfections of creatures as they come from God. The essence of God comes in 1 John 1:5, "God is light; in him there is no darkness at all." There light indicates the simplicity of the divine essence. It also shows the glory of God: "He lives in unapproachable light" (1 Timothy 6:16)—that is, in inconceivable glory. So Jesus Christ, in that he received his personality and subsistence from the Father, is called, in the Nicene Creed, "Light of light, and very God of very God." The creatures also, since they derive their perfection from God, are called lights. An angel is called an "angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14); the saints are called "the people of the light" (Luke 16:8). Rational creatures, as they have wisdom and understanding, are said to be lights; Christ is "the true light that gives light to every man" (John 1:9), and all the candles in the world are lighted from this torch. In short, reason, wisdom, holiness, and happiness are often expressed by light, and they are all from God.
    As the stars shine with a borrowed luster, so do all the creatures; where you meet any brightness and excellency in them, remember it is only a ray of the divine glory. As the star brought the wise men to Christ, so should all the stars in the world bring your thoughts to God, who is "the Fountain and Father of lights." "Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise" not you but "your Father in heaven" (Matthew 5:16). If you see a candle burn brightly and purely, remember it was set alight by God. If there is any light in others, a sense of the mysteries of the Gospel, if they are burning and shining lights, if they give out the flame of godly conversation, remember that they are only revealing that luster and glory that they received from above.
    If God is the Father of the heavenly lights:
    (1) You must apply yourself to God. If you want the light of grace or knowledge or comfort, you must be set alight by his flame. We are dark bodies until the Lord fills us with his own glory. How devoid of comfort we would be without God! In the night there is nothing but terror and error; and so it is in the soul without the light of the divine presence. When the sun is gone, the plants wither; and when God, who is the sun of spirits, is withdrawn, there is nothing but discomfort and a sad languishing in the soul. Oh, pray then that God will shine on your soul not in flashes but with constant light. It is often like this with us in comfort and grace. Holy thoughts arise and, like a flash of lightning, make the room bright; but then the lightning is gone, and we are as dark as ever. But when God shines with a constant light, then shall we give out a holy luster: "Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord rises upon you" (Isaiah 60:1). We, like the moon, are dark bodies and have no light rooted within ourselves; the Lord must dawn on us before we can shine. It is the same with comfort: "Those who look to him are radiant; their faces are never covered with shame" (Psalm 34:5).
    (2) This shows why wicked people hate God: "Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light" (John 3:19). Again, they "will not come into the light for fear that [their] deeds will be exposed" (verse 20). Those who delight in darkness cannot endure God, nor anything that represents God. Rachel could not endure Laban's search, nor can the wicked endure God's eye. He is the Father of the heavenly lights; he has a discerning eye and a searching beam.
    (3) Children of God should walk in purity and innocence. "You are light in the Lord. Live as children of light" (Ephesians 5:8). Walk so that you reflect the glory of your Father; faults in you, like spots in the moon, soon show up. You who are the lights of the world should shine brightly; indeed, in the worst times you should shine brightest, like stars in the blackest night. Therefore the apostle says, "Shine like stars in the universe" (Philippians 2:15).

    Note 5. The Lord is unchangeable in holiness and glory; he is a sun that always shines with the same brightness. God, and all that is in God, in unchangeable. This is an attribute that, like a silk thread in a chain of pearls, runs through them all. His mercy does not change—"his love endures forever" (Psalm 100:5). The same is true of his strength, and so he is called "the Rock eternal" (Isaiah 26:4). So his love is immutable. His heart is the same to us in all situations; we change, but God does not change. So then:
    (1) The more changeable you are, the less you are like God. You should hate yourselves when you are so fickle! God is immutably holy, but you have a heart that loves to wander. God is always the same, but you quickly change (see Galatians 1:6). The more you "continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of" (2 Timothy 3:14), the more you resemble divine perfection.
    (2) Go to him to establish and settle your spirits. God, who is unchangeable in himself, can bring you into an unchanging state of grace, against which all the gates of hell cannot prevail. Therefore, do not rest until you have received gifts from him that never alter—the fruits of eternal grace and the pledges of eternal glory.
    (3) Go to God as one who is good and unchanging. In the midst of the greatest changes, see him as the same always; when there is little in the creature, there is as much in God as ever: "They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment... But you remain the same, and your years will never end" (Psalm 102:26-27). All creatures vanish not only like a piece of cloth, but like a garment. Cloth would decay by itself or be eaten by moths; but a garment is worn every day. But God does not change. There is no wrinkle on the brow of eternity; the arm of mercy is not dried up, nor does his compassionate love ever end. This is the church's comfort in the saddest situation. No matter how the face of the creature changes, God will still be the same. It is said somewhere that "the name of God is as an ointment poured out." Certainly this matter of God's unchangingness is like an ointment poured out, the best cordial to refresh a fainting soul. When the Israelites were in distress, all the letters of recommendation that God would give Moses were those in Exodus 3:14, "'I am who I am...."I AM has sent me to you."'" That was comfort enough for the Israelites; God could say, "I am." With God there is no change—no past or present; he remains in the same indivisible point of eternity and therefore says, "I am." So the prophet Malachi says, "I the Lord do not change [or am not changed]; so you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed" (Malachi 3:6). Our safety lies in God's immutability; we cannot perish totally because God cannot change.


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    (3) This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,
    (4) who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
    (5) For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
    (6) who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
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    Dear Lefteris: I would like to make several observations. First, Micah719 tries to refute this Catholic website merely by saying it is a Catholic website, which, of course, is not a refutation. Second, some Christian apologists have tried to explain these verses by maintaining that religious conduct is only not to give scandal to non-Christians; in other words, if works have no place in our salvation, then our "good" conduct is for men's eyes, not God's. There is only one problem with that...the verses SPECIFICALLY say that this is pure conduct, not in the eyes of men, BUT OF GOD. Third, the Catholic Church does NOT teach that a person is saved by works; it teaches (quoting scripture) that faith without works is dead. Fourth, Paul was referring to the "works of the law," such as circumcision, and other ritual observances; notice James is talking about works defined in terms of obedience to the Commandments and holy conduct. Fifth, Martin Luther himself admitted that he inserted the German word "allein" (alone) in Paul's statement that the just man is saved by faith. There is only contradiction between Paul and James if a person inserts the word "alone" into Paul's statement, which is not scriptural. Sixth, you say YOU disagree with the idea of combining relationship and religion. But I have a troubling question to ask you: are you disagreeing with Catholicism, or are you disagreeing WITH THE SCRIPTURES? If I make a statement that you get a college degree by taking 120 credits; and I also add that you must get a "C" average in all these courses, I am NOT engaging in CONTRADICTORY statements, I am engaging in COMPLIMENTARY statements. Finally, although the words "pure religion" appear in the New Testament, and appear in a favorable light; unless I am wrong, you will search the entire New Testament in vain for the phrase "PERSONAL Lord and Savior." This is not to say that Christ did not die for each one of us individually; He most certainly DID; Paul points out that "Christ died for ME." However, in uncritically using the vocabulary of evangelical Protestantism, be careful you are not forsaking sound doctrine for the teachings of MEN. May the Lord, and His Son Jesus, bless you!
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    First, Micah719 tries to refute this Catholic website merely by saying it is a Catholic website, which, of course, is not a refutation.
    Of course not, seeing as how I was not refuting the already repeatedly refuted ad nauseaum on this board, but was wondering why someone would drink at that poisoned well and then complain he felt ill. The OP question was answered, so please defend Pergamos in your own thread. Not that you're going to get much response from me; been there, done that, don't need to dabble in this sort of thing again.

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    Dear Hannah: If you read my response carefully, you will see that I only wanted Lefteris to AVOID an "ad hominum" attack; in this case the idea that merely because a (Catholic) website may have many ideas that a person may disagree with, that does not, per se, invalidate EVERYTHING on that site. For example, let's pretend that BILL CLINTON comes up to me and says "two plus two equals four" and I respond by saying "well, I disagreed with almost everything your administration did." SO WHAT? Previous disagreement, and even previous error, may call the validity of a source into question; however, it does not therefore invalidate every and any statement by that source. Or, in street terms, even a broken clock is right TWICE A DAY!" Dear Micah719: I have just ordered two books by a well known evangelical scholar about the lives the men who initiated the Great Awakening in America, especially Jonathan Edwards. The fact that this scholar is not of my faith tradition is IMMATERIAL in judging the quality and accuracy of his account. Also, if a friend told me about a good evangelical website, if I avoided consulting it, it might say something about MY lack of confidence in my faith. After all, I like this web site, and nothing I have seen here has shaken MY faith! Finally, I prayerfully hope Lefteris is actually reading all the responses to his question. Then I hope he asks himself: which responses demonstrate the clearer thought; and whose responses are actually more charitable?

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    to RF, Montini. I'd just like to ask you one quick question. What would you say is necessary for salvation? Basically how is one saved. :) I'm just trying to understand more fully what you believe. Thanks!
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    Also, if a friend told me about a good evangelical website, if I avoided consulting it, it might say something about MY lack of confidence in my faith. After all, I like this web site, and nothing I have seen here has shaken MY faith!
    Sounds to me like you're trying to say it's okay for someone to read catholic material, when catholic dogma is POISON? Let me tell you, I've been there for a long time, and I can't express the joy I feel because Jesus Christ took me out of the roman institution.

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    I was searching for "relationship vs religion" using Google and I stumbled upon the Catholic website.
    They seem to be against relationship alone with the Lord, but at the same time they accept it if its combined with religion. I highly disagree with that.

    Ill take another try to read James 1 and 2 and I will report back!
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    Dear Lefteris: I would like to make several observations. First, Micah719 tries to refute this Catholic website merely by saying it is a Catholic website, which, of course, is not a refutation. Second, some Christian apologists have tried to explain these verses by maintaining that religious conduct is only not to give scandal to non-Christians; in other words, if works have no place in our salvation, then our "good" conduct is for men's eyes, not God's. There is only one problem with that...the verses SPECIFICALLY say that this is pure conduct, not in the eyes of men, BUT OF GOD. Third, the Catholic Church does NOT teach that a person is saved by works; it teaches (quoting scripture) that faith without works is dead. Fourth, Paul was referring to the "works of the law," such as circumcision, and other ritual observances; notice James is talking about works defined in terms of obedience to the Commandments and holy conduct. Fifth, Martin Luther himself admitted that he inserted the German word "allein" (alone) in Paul's statement that the just man is saved by faith. There is only contradiction between Paul and James if a person inserts the word "alone" into Paul's statement, which is not scriptural. Sixth, you say YOU disagree with the idea of combining relationship and religion. But I have a troubling question to ask you: are you disagreeing with Catholicism, or are you disagreeing WITH THE SCRIPTURES? If I make a statement that you get a college degree by taking 120 credits; and I also add that you must get a "C" average in all these courses, I am NOT engaging in CONTRADICTORY statements, I am engaging in COMPLIMENTARY statements. Finally, although the words "pure religion" appear in the New Testament, and appear in a favorable light; unless I am wrong, you will search the entire New Testament in vain for the phrase "PERSONAL Lord and Savior." This is not to say that Christ did not die for each one of us individually; He most certainly DID; Paul points out that "Christ died for ME." However, in uncritically using the vocabulary of evangelical Protestantism, be careful you are not forsaking sound doctrine for the teachings of MEN. May the Lord, and His Son Jesus, bless you!
    Monti, please explain how someone can escape from this trap:

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    That's not a flowchart (ex-programmer here). See the following link for flowchart symbols and usage. Standard Flowchart Symbols and Their Usage

    Nope, nope. You do not have only ONE start/stop lozenge. Where are the decision diamonds? Hmm. The process steps are too complicated and not properly broken down. Poorly designed. Woeful! The person who drew this would not pass my systems flowcharting class.

    No wonder there is no way out of this Chart!

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    Just a reminder concerning Catholic sites, i was recently referred to a Catholic writer by the well-respected Grant Jeffrey from someone who has a lot of sway in this forum. Why was I referred to a Catholic writer?

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    Hi, could you please point me to the Grant Jeffery article that pointed to the Catholic writer, so we can deal with that? Thanks.
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    I saw this verse quoted by a Catholic website (that's obvious) but I have difficulties understanding that particular verse in general. James mostly writes about: if practicing a faith that it does not produce fruit, that faith is dead.

    when I read the passage in its pure word and form just straight of the pages of James in the Bible I read James is telling believers not to be deceived and that sin is the ruin of all that is good he stated it in the other beginning passages he goes on to state that every good gift and every perfect gift is from above and we know that the Lord Jesus Christ is that ""perfect gift" and it is by the same perfect gift the Lord Jesus Christ that every perfect gift is given of his own will begat he us with the word of truth tells us a great truth which is the imparting of divine life through the word so we can more over know some of the "perfect gifts' given which the word is very very significant a gift think where we would be with out it and just take one brief moment to go read the first passages of Genesis ok and so it is very important what James is speaking who was the word ? and what did the word do (from Genesis) .........as you read on to the part troubling you about the first fruits just know that first fruits represent what we have received which is a promise of what we will receive and the one principle of first fruits that is so significant regarding your inquiry of """Faith"
    James is stating proper ""FAITH" will always produce "proper works""
    and placing faith in anything except the """ Perfect gift given which is "" Jesus Christ will always produce vain religions full of dead men"s bones
    Just as Jesus the perfect gift and sacrifice for us told them in many other words

    Lefteris If I may urge upon you but one request of concern
    at all cost steer clear of religious white washed tombs
    It can get what faith you do have in such a quagmire of bondage its just as Buz showed it provides no way out

    One of our greatest gifts given is Gods written word
    and I know you must know the Holy Spirit recognizes it above all others
    don't make a trade of for the mere words of religious man's

    This book is the right one the Holy Bible
    all a cat cult can hand you is a catacism of religion derived by mere man
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