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    Default Daniel 9:25 = Prophecies for Two Comings?

    Daniel 9:25 states:

    "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times"

    After the first coming, we now know that Jesus entered Jerusalem 69 weeks after the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem = 7 + 62 weeks = "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks".

    However, why does everyone seem so absolutely convinced that this couldn't represent two separate timelines? After all, if it was just one timeline why wouldn't God have instead said: "Messiah the Prince shall be threescore and nine weeks"?

    Recent Event Timeline:

    Timeline (Chronology) of Israel and Zionism to 1967: "May 28, 1948: Jewish quarter of the old city of Jerusalem falls to the Jordan Legion. The inhabitants were protected from the wrath of a lynch mob by the Legion under Abdullah Tell, and noncombatants were expelled to West Jerusalem. About 300 Haganah defenders were taken prisoner and sent to Jordan. The entire quarter including 58 of the 59 synagogues was demolished by the Arab mob despite efforts of the Legion."

    AIPAC - Six-Day War 40th Anniversary: "Not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem", a Jordanian military commander said, "Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews' return here impossible."

    On April 1, 1969 [14 Aviv 2759, Passover Eve], the Knesset voted to consider rebuilding the Jewish Quarter (the essence of the original, ancient Jerusalem). This was put to study, approval to rebuild was given and construction officially began shortly thereafter (to quote the title of a Bryan Adams song: "It was the Summer of 69").

    Some interesting Math:

    1969 + 7 x 7 = 2018, which "just happens" to match Jack Kelley of Gracethrufaith.com's best guess of 2018 = 1948 + 70 = 2018. Jack Kelley's best guess is outlined in the following link:

    In Support Of A 2011 Rapture | GraceThruFaith: "Psalm 90:10 says an average Biblical lifespan is 70 years. Isaiah 23:15 confirms this. 1948 plus 70 brings the 2nd Coming to 2018."

    I am NOT date setting (certainly no more so than Jack Kelley). I am merely trying to illustrate mathematically that our feelings that the Rapture must be very soon is indeed backed by solid logic!!

    In conclusion, I still haven't seen an adequate explanation as to the purpose of why God would split the Daniel 9:25 timeline into two dates = 7 AND 62 years if it was meant to predict just one event. To reiterate what I said above, if it meant to outline just one timeline, why would He not merely say 69 years straight out? After all, since when has God ever communicated using more words than He has to (after all, He is the very model of efficiency)? I'm just saying...

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    Default Re: Daniel 9:25 = Prophecies for Two Comings?

    7 Sevens to Rebuild Jerusalem: By the way, I have studied the theory that the first 7 7s refer to the time it would take for Jerusalem to be rebuilt. However, where is the documentation that this was the timeline (I couldn't find any historical documentation on this). Unless someone has this proof, I just can't make a 49 year timeline for rebuiliding make sense to me. Let me show you why:

    Imagine, after years of repression, the Jews have just been told that they can return and rebuild Jerusalem. These are highly-motivated, highly-skilled, hard-working labourers. Even unmotivated, unskilled, lazy labourers could rebuild this small city in less than ten years. But these guys - come on. I can't see how it would take them more than 5 years to rebuild the city. They certainly wouldn't need 49 years.

    7 Sevens to Rebuild the Temple: I have also studied the theory that the first 7 7s refer to the time it would take for the Temple to be rebuilt. Again, how do we know the Temple did indeed take 49 years to build (again, I couldn't find any historical documentation on this). Even if the Temple did take 49 years, if the prophecy was referring to the building of the Temple, why wouldn't God specifically outline this. A fact that can't be denied is that the prophecy refers to the decree to restore Jerusalem. It says nothing at all about the time needed to rebuild Jerusalem or the temple, just that it would happen between the decree and when Messiah would appear.

    Converging timelines: IMO, it seems much more mathematically logical to see two separate timelines in this prophecy, one for each of His comings. The fact that 1948 (Israel) + 70 (generation), 1967 (Jerusalem) + 50 (Jubilee) & 1969 (Jewish Quarter) + 49 (7 weeks) all point to the same general year (2018) certainly appears to bear witness to this being a strong possibility. Even if someone can provide SOLID proof of either event taking 49 years, such convergence cannot be mathematically denied.

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