What happens after death?

[SonSeeker]

My wife (Kim) and I are both confused about what happens after death. Do we go immediately to heaven?If so, then who are the dead who will be raised first in the Rapture?

[Elijah's Mantle]

good question

I was wondering is the rapture the same as a resurrection ....Is that what your asking ? regarding the dead ?
In the rapture the dead go first ,so we stay in the ground sleeping dead until the rapture happens is the only thing I can think might help explain the question ask if we die before the rapture
and the resurrected dead is first hope that helps Im not sure that explains it very well
sorry

[Elijah's Mantle]

we have the breath of God in our living bodies and when that goes back to God our bodies cease and begins to decay that is what causes rigamortis and makes dead people stiff . The dead stay stiff they dont go anywhere dust to dust or ashes to ashes depending on whether you cremate or get embalmed.

when your baptized under water you have to take a first breathe when you come back up
flesh and blood don't enter into heaven ,just the spirit .

waters divide the heaven and the earth
upon death the body separates from the spirit

[mattfivefour]

Sorry folks, I wrote an entire response and the computer ate it!

I cannot begin again tonight, but will try to re-compose it tomorrow morning.

[Hannah]

I hope Mattfivefour can get back to this one. I can only give you two scenarios.

The dead in Christ sleep until the Rapture.

Those are alive at the time of Rapture go up to meet the Lord in the air.

So some of us go through a death process and wait to be re-united with the Lord. Some of us will get to go there straight away, Do Not Pass Death, do not have to wait to see Jesus face to face.

We will have spiritual bodies in heaven so we do discard this body of flesh. Paul tries to tell us what these bodies will be like but I guess we won't reall know until we get there.

1CO 15:42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

1CO 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

Oh YES and the dead are raised FIRST!

1TH 4:13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.

1TH 5:1 Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

That's the best I can do on this topic.

[SonSeeker]

Sorry folks, I wrote an entire response and the computer ate it!

I cannot begin again tonight, but will try to re-compose it tomorrow morning.

Well, blaming the computer is better than blaming the cats.

That's OK Adrian, if we aren't Raptured overnight, tomorrow will be just fine. If we are Raptured tonight, then we'll get the answer tonight.

[mikalikat]

The Bible tells us that "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" for those that are saved. We are present with Christ and our loved ones in spirit. The Rapture reunites us with our recommissioned new bodies.

[ftwspursfan]

OK, here is a small snippet from Randy Alcorn and if you do not have his book "Heaven", I highly recommend it! I'll post this for now and can come back with more tomorrow. I'm also waiting to see what Adrian has to say also.

After death but prior to the resurrection, what will we be like?

Answered by Randy Alcorn

Between our entrance to heaven and our resurrection, we may have temporary pre-resurrection bodies. This is strongly suggested by the account of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19ff.), as well as passages showing pre-resurrected people doing physical things, such as wearing robes (Rev. 6:11). Unlike God and the angels, who are in essence spirits though capable of inhabiting bodies (John 4:24; Heb. 1:14), man is by nature both spiritual and physical (Gen. 2:7). Hence, between our earthly life and our resurrection, a temporary body would allow us to remain fully human while awaiting the resurrection. (If true, this in no way minimizes the ultimate necessity or critical importance of the resurrection stressed in 1 Corinthians 15.)

After death but prior to the resurrection, what will we be like? - Resources - Eternal Perspective Ministries

[mattfivefour]

My wife (Kim) and I are both confused about what happens after death. Do we go immediately to heaven?If so, then who are the dead who will be raised first in the Rapture?

Lori and Mike have both given good answers.

Those are both good answers. This is a very difficult topic, because there is far too much room for supposition since God has chosen not to reveal large portions of just how some things will work.

But let's examine what the Bible says. Genesis 2:7 tells us that the first living soul (nephesh) was the product of God's spirit (Ruach) being breathed into a formed physical element (aphar = dry earth). Thus Man has a spirit, a soul, and a body (basar) ... the soul being the product of the spirit in the body. The soul corresponds to the Freudian "ego". It is the "I", the sense of self, the personality, that thing that makes us "US". Your soul is what distinguishes YOU. Our spirit, as I understand it, is that which comes from God and cannot be destroyed. For all intents and purposes the spirit and the soul cannot be separated and, likely, may be used interchangeably. I determine this in part due to a well-known passage in Revelation in which we are told that John saw "souls of those martyred" under the altar— "When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained." (Revelation 6:9) He did not say "spirits" on this occasion, he said "souls".

Now two verses that come to mind about death are in Ecclesiastes 12 and Zechariah 12. The Prophet writes, "Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him" (Zechariah 12:1) confirming that it is God who places the spirit in the man. And the Preacher says, "Remember Him [God] before the silver cord is broken and the golden bowl is crushed, the pitcher by the well is shattered and the wheel at the cistern is crushed; (my note: those are all poetic descriptions of death) 7then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:6-7) So we can see that our spirit returns to God at death.

But it is clear the body does not. Since we have seen that the spirit and soul go to be with God at death, then we have an insight into the well-known verse in First Thessalonians that says the dead are raised first. The verse says, "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." The Greek word here is νεκρός which means a "dead body" or "a corpse". It is the earthly remains of the dead that are raised.

Now this sounds very ghoulish. But these are not zombies that are raised. But living people. Clearly their souls and spirits are reunited with their bodies. This is clear from the ressurection of Lazarus. It was his own soul and spirit that returned to the body. so too to the boy Elisjah raise or the one Paul raised. But let us be clear in this current situation that this is not an earthly, temporal resurrection but an eternal one. Therefore the dead in Christ are not being reunited with their old bodies but with new ones that—somehow—are in some way related to their old ones but totally changed. Paul writes extensively about this very question in his first letter to the church at Corinth. I will give you the excellent NASB translation of that passage:

" 35But someone will say, 'How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?' 36You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; 37and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own.
" 42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So also it is written, 'The first man, Adam, became a living soul.' The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly." (1 Corinthians 15:35-38;42-49)

Paul uses the example of a seed. The plant that grows out of it when it is dropped in the ground does not look like the seed at all. It is changed into a living thing. If you drop a kernel of corn into the ground, you don't get a giant kernel springing up where it was sown. You get a plant. So too, says, Paul is what happens when an earthly body is "sown".

Now how this can happen ... especially when some people have been cremated, some lost at sea, others blown to smithereens in explosions, etc, etc ... I do not know. This is far to marvelous for my mind. I do know that God sustains all of Creation by His Word. Therefore He know where every fragment of every atom is in the unvierse at any fragement of a second. He IS omniscient. and orur minds can in no way even begin to comprehend what that means. It is so beyond us that ther common reaction is one of disbelief. but then we cannot comprehend God. He is so far greater than even our greatest imagination can picture. That is why the other two persons of the trinity—Jesus and the Holy Spirit—are so beautiful. We can comprehend Jesus. he came in the flesh and walked and spoke and acted. And whaqt He did and siad was recorded. Him we can comprehend ... at least in His flesh. And we can comprehend to some degree the Holy Spirit because He dwells within us and we can feel His operation from time to time ... and if not His operation, we can tell after He has acted. As Jesus said in John 3:8, you may not be able to see the wind, but you can tell it when it is around. You can feel its presence and you can see its results. so, too, we are aware of the presence and the action of the Holy Spirit.

I hope this helps a little bit.

As I said, this is a very difficult topic as a good portion of it is not laid out in the Bible. We have to surmise certain things, so it is possible we—specifically I, in this case—am surmising amiss. But, then, there can be no way to KNOW for sure exactly what is correct. Truly the secret things belong unto the Lord (Deuteronomy 29:29)!

The one thing I DO know for sure in this matter is that God will do exactly what He says He will do and His Word means exactly what He says. Therefore we DO go to be with Him at death and at the Rapture the dead bodies WILL be raised, or at least they will will be changed into heavenly, incorruptible ones. And in any case, however it may happen, we ALL shall live in joyful, perfect union with God and with each other for all eternity.

I can hardly wait to find out just how glorious that will be!!! \o/

[SonSeeker]

Thank you all for your responses!

I had no idea how complicated this topic is, I just thought there was some detail I had missed to explain all of this. But, upon further review, I'm beginning to realize that we are just not privy to all of the wondrous aspects of how God works.

I'd like to take some time to digest everyone's responses prayerfully, and hope to come to a better understanding of this subject.

In other words, let me sleep on this, and I'll get back to you.

[ftwspursfan]

Thank you all for your responses!

I had no idea how complicated this topic is, I just thought there was some detail I had missed to explain all of this. But, upon further review, I'm beginning to realize that we are just not privy to all of the wondrous aspects of how God works.

I'd like to take some time to digest everyone's responses prayerfully, and hope to come to a better understanding of this subject.

In other words, let me sleep on this, and I'll get back to you.

It is complicated and exciting at the same time. It is very hard to wrap our minds around and that is why I enjoy Randy Alcorn so much. He does not agree with us eschatologically but I find his pictures of Heaven very exciting and comforting. His books and website are helping many people get a proper Biblical perspective of Heaven and he is not afraid to describe Hell vividly either.

[Elijah's Mantle]

I learned quite a bit from what you posted mattfivefour

Now how this can happen ... especially when some people have been cremated, some lost at sea, others blown to smithereens in explosions, etc, etc ... I do not know. This is far to marvelous for my mind.

yep it is going to be miraculously marvelous when this happens
it is to much for my mind to figure how

[SonSeeker]

Thank you all, again for your wonderful responses.

I believe my pea-sized brain is beginning to grasp this wonderful mystery.

Apparently, when we die, only our physical bodies die, and our soul/spirit goes immediately to heaven. Then at the Rapture, our physical bodies are raised up from this earth, and somehow very miraculously in an instant of time, our earthy bodies are changed into eternal bodies and reunited with our soul/spirit, and we will then live with Jesus forever in these new bodies. How am I doing so far??

There seems to be a bit of disagreement on what we will be like during the interim time waiting for the Rapture: Randy Alcorn believes we may temporarily acquire a body until the resurrection, although I don't really see why this would be necessary. Others believe we will sleep until the Rapture.

Thank you Mike, Lori, Mikalikat, Hannah, Elijah's Mantle, and of course, Adrian!
I'm so grateful to have been led to this Forum, and to be able to converse with everyone here to learn more about our Lord Jesus, and also to learn what He has planned for us all.

Thank you Adrian for this paragraph at the end of your response!

The one thing I DO know for sure in this matter is that God will do exactly what He says He will do and His Word means exactly what He says. Therefore we DO go to be with Him at death and at the Rapture the dead bodies WILL be raised, or at least they will will be changed into heavenly, incorruptible ones. And in any case, however it may happen, we ALL shall live in joyful, perfect union with God and with each other for all eternity.

I can hardly wait to find out just how glorious that will be!!! \o/

[Zeblade]

Yep spot on SonSeeker. Jesus is the 1st... then we like the thief on the cross when we die we dont taste death we go right to heaven. Then the rapture and graves open.. then like Jesus. Short and simple. And some dont believe this. And you know.. who is lord of all? How can man be saved? We answer through believing in Jesus/Yeshua the Son of our very loving Father.. THATS WHAT MATTERS!

[GlennO]

We had a great day of worship this morning together with four congregations, in what is a local tradition the morning of the last day of the County Fair. Music/worship teams from all four churches practiced together for three weeks and it showed. They did seven praise songs and finished with Jennie Lee Riddle’s “Revelation Song”. POWERFULl!

I suppose that the echoes of that song have kept the thread “What Happens After Death” thread.

Luk 16:19-31
(19) "There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.
(20) And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores,
(21) who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores.
(22) The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
(23) and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
(24) And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.'
(25) But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.
(26) And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.'
(27) And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house--
(28) for I have five brothers--so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.'
(29) But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.'
(30) And he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
(31) He said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.'"

I believe it is so, concerning the dead from Adam to the thief on the Cross, that the righteous dead were waiting the promise of Gen 3:15 made in the Garden while resting in Hades (AKA: Abraham’s Bosom). Those awaiting their release were in the spirit/soul state of being, their mortal bodies returning to dust.

(Mat 12:40) For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The location of Hades remains at the heart of the earth occupied by the unrighteous dead until the second death.

Eph 4:8-10
(8) Therefore it says, "When he ascended on high He led a host of captives, and He gave gifts to men."
(9) (In saying, "He ascended," what does it mean but that He had also descended into the lower regions, the earth?
(10) He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)

I believe it is so, when He ascended on high He was leading the host of righteous captives freed as a result of His atonement completed at the cross.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

The verse above answers the question “What will our glorified bodies be like?”

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


2Co 5:6-8
(6) Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
(7) (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
(8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

I am inclined to believe that verse 6 above, makes a good case for the saints who have died in faith are fully aware of their blessed eternal state awaiting the “Fullness of the Gentiles” and “The Marriage Supper”. I think the passage of time in that state follow along the lines of,
(2Pe 3:8) But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

1Co 15:34-57
(34) Wake up from your drunken stupor, as is right, and do not go on sinning. For some have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame.
(35) But someone will ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?"
(36) You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
(37) And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
(38) But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.
(39) For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.
(40) There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
(41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
(42) So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
(43) It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
(44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
(45) Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
(46) But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
(47) The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.
(48) As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
(49) Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.
(50) I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
(51) Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
(53) For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
(54) When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
(55) "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"
(56) The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
(57) But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

There is apparently something important to the Lord about a bodily resurrection. What that aspect may be I cannot fathom. Jesus upon His resurrection was touched and felt by Thomas but passed the through the walls if the upper room as the dejected disciples huddled in confusion.

Comments, Conjecture or Illumination welcomed

[the stranger]

Though I am a little late on the draw on this one, I will put my 2 cents in anyway.

I think some have made very valid points reguarding this issue.

Luk 16:19-31
(19) "There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.
(20) And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores,
(21) who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores.
(22) The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
(23) and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
(24) And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.'
(25) But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.
(26) And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.'

This passage makes it clear that before Jesus died our souls went right to Abraham's bosom.

2Co 5:6-8
(6) Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
(7) (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
(8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Is was stated in the last post more clearly, since Jesus died in our place as the Passover Lamb, we are now justified through Christ Jesus blood to have direct access to the Father. The God Head is a hard thing to wrap our minds around, but I believe only Abraham and the other founding fathers, all who made God their King, were in Abraham's Bosom, and not God Himself. For God Himself had said, if you see My face you will die. It is through the blood of Jesus, God Himself, that we are able to now look in the face of God and still live. That is why we can now go straight to heaven.


There are many who believe in soul sleep, but that is only because they use the lack of knowledge of some of our great men of the OT (JOB, SOLAMON) The NT makes the truth very clear to us, and even the prier mentioned of the OT had the hope of rising in front of God. The only way to believe in soul sleep is not believing in the NT.

Now concerning the rapture and resurrection, my timeline is a bit different then the majority on this site. However, it is for certain that when Jesus comes He brings back those that are in heaven with Him and together, they and all that are currently residing on earth who are saved will be changed and given our new bodies with the rest that came with Christ. In other words, I believe it is just our souls that will be in heaven until Christ comes back to set up His Kingdom, and then al will be made whole concerning their new bodies, both the ones in heaven that came down with Jesus, as well as those still on earth that are saved.

1 Thessalonians 3:11-13 (May the Lord increase your love as to establish your hearts blameless) before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints



Bottom line, no matter how a person believes the end times to role out, we will all (that belong to God) get our new bodies at the same time. The importance of this is to be complete as to how God intended us to be, to eat, to smell, to touch, to hear, and to taste and see. Being a soul forever would not fullfill the prophecies and make us fully complete.

Ask me for any reference for my statements and I will certainly give them to you.

Please don't let anyone decieve you into believing you will not be with God when you die. Now there is allot we do not know, but we can certainly believe what God tells us in His word. He will never lie.

May God Bless you brother as we all learn more and more and grow closer to our Maker. Us Christians certainly have this hope.

[GlennO]

welcome stranger!

Congrats on your 1st post! If you like this thread I, have a hunch you'll like this one too:

all men are appointed to die so how about those of us who are raptured?

Also, if you have not yet had a chance to peruse the forum rules and guidelines for posting, I encourage you to give them a visit.

http://www.raptureforums.com/forum/r...es-statements/

Now concerning the rapture and resurrection, my timeline is a bit different then the majority on this site.

Regarding cutting and pasting scripture, I type with 2 fingers.....so I find the free program E-Sword a life-saver!

[the stranger]

Thankyou for the warm welcoem,GlennO. I see you have been around the site for a while! That says something about character. This is the third site that I am now a member with, as the other sites, however, are much smaller in replies and members, but their my family.

I will make sure I read the rules and such, and thankyou for the advise.

God bless

[mattfivefour]

Stranger, welcome to our part of the family! I pray you have an enjoyable and productive time here as you continue to grow in the knowledge and grace of our precious Lord! I look forward to more of your posts.

[the stranger]

Thankyou very much. I am sure I will learn much from this site. I will certainly be around, Lord willing.