Was Jesus Rich?

[2010&Saved]

I was watching television and a black man dressed in a suit said that Jesus had to have been a very rich man because he was brought gold at his birth. Was he? Even if he was. He probably didnt live in splender and it may have been used very wisely until he turned 30. Maybe Jesus and his family used only what they needed and gave the rest to the poor? If he was rich, once he began his ministry he had to have given it all away correct? Or just forfeited it.

It is aggravating when people say Jesus lived it up until he was 30 and did everything he wanted! All they care about is money its in their very breath! Makes me sick.

I was watching this show called Religulous with Bill Maher..and just wow. Kinda shakes my faith. Half the people in the video who profess to be christians are quite clearly..fake looking. Is this the problem with the chruch today? It looks like everyone in the world is trying to turn Jesus into a business! I believe Atheists, atleast some of them, know more about the bible than those who profess to be christian..ashame. I want to be able to give a good biblical answer if someone askes me about my faith..I dont want to sit there dumbfounded saying.."Well I dunno, its all up to God, and only he knows in the end". That is not a good answer.

As for all the other Messiahs of other religions..how is it that they are almost identical to Christ? I know there is a good explanation. Some messiahs that were around a thousand years before Jesus seem to match him perfectly. Well wasnt the old testament around then? And didnt it go into great detail about christ and what he was like and how he would be? Could others whose only purpose was glory, perhaps, copy what they saw in the old testament about a coming messiah and decide to copy it early, before he actually showed up?

I dont want to be some dumbfounded Christain who cant stand up for his faith!!

[Hannah]

I always quote to someone who follows the prosperity doctrince 2 things.

I quote the scripture that says. Foxes have holes and birds have nests but the Son of Man has no where to lay his head. Jesus didn't have a home.

The other thing is that he was laid to rest in another man's tomb because he didn't have the money for his own resting place.

Jesus certainly didn't have any Earthly riches and his only possessions, his clothes, were divided amongst the Roman soldiers by lot. I doubt very much Jesus had a suit made by a famous designer/clothes maker of the day.

Yes Jesus was defintiley not rich, not even well off. If you were doing OK you at least had some house somewhere but Jesus didn't even have a roof over his head. He was the equvialent of a begger, a poor and needy person.

The people who peddle Prosperity doctrine forget to look at all the verses that tell us not to run after wealth and material things but to be RICH in Chirst and the Word of God.

Where are our riches? In Heaven not on this Earth.

It is good to have finances to cover your needs and to be able to give. Nothing wrong with owning a house or car and having some material things. We don't need to put all our effort in getting money to have these things. God knows we need them and He will help provide them for us.

MT 6:24 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."

Simple as that. You can't have both GOD and Money as your master. One or the other.

[MikeD]

In a way, I'd have to say Jesus was immensely rich. After all, wasn't it the Father in heaven that said, "behold my son in whom I am well pleased." How "RICH" would a person be to have the Father of all creation to look down on them and say He was WELL PLEASED with that person. Yep, I'd have to say, that PERSON was VERY wealthy. With a wealth we could NEVER understand.

And to even begin to believe the concept, this is the same "riches" Jesus gives to US by our salvation!! Awesome...

[jesuschangesall]

I was watching television and a black man dressed in a suit said that Jesus had to have been a very rich man because he was brought gold at his birth. Was he? Even if he was. He probably didnt live in splender and it may have been used very wisely until he turned 30. Maybe Jesus and his family used only what they needed and gave the rest to the poor? If he was rich, once he began his ministry he had to have given it all away correct? Or just forfeited it.

It is aggravating when people say Jesus lived it up until he was 30 and did everything he wanted! All they care about is money its in their very breath! Makes me sick.

I was watching this show called Religulous with Bill Maher..and just wow. Kinda shakes my faith. Half the people in the video who profess to be christians are quite clearly..fake looking. Is this the problem with the chruch today? It looks like everyone in the world is trying to turn Jesus into a business! I believe Atheists, atleast some of them, know more about the bible than those who profess to be christian..ashame. I want to be able to give a good biblical answer if someone askes me about my faith..I dont want to sit there dumbfounded saying.."Well I dunno, its all up to God, and only he knows in the end". That is not a good answer.

As for all the other Messiahs of other religions..how is it that they are almost identical to Christ? I know there is a good explanation. Some messiahs that were around a thousand years before Jesus seem to match him perfectly. Well wasnt the old testament around then? And didnt it go into great detail about christ and what he was like and how he would be? Could others whose only purpose was glory, perhaps, copy what they saw in the old testament about a coming messiah and decide to copy it early, before he actually showed up?

I dont want to be some dumbfounded Christain who cant stand up for his faith!!

Blessings blessings and more blessings to you in the Name of our Great Lord Jesus!!!
Now,I do not know if have become a born again believer recently or how long you have been in the Faith...but I can lovingly assure you that the word I am going to share with you now is for ALL TRUE BELIEVERS....so it is valid for me that I have been in the Faith 38 years and also for you....
This is the word:


Looking Unto Jesus

by Theodore Monod translated from the French by Helen Willis

". . . looking unto Jesus . . ."
Hebrews 12:2

Only these three words,
but in these three words
is the whole secret of life.


LOOKING UNTO JESUS
IN THE SCRIPTURES, to learn there what He is, what He has done, what He gives, what He desires; to find in His character our pattern, in His teachings our instruction, in His precepts our law, in His promises our support, in His person and in His work a full satisfaction provided for every need of our souls.

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
CRUCIFIED, to find in His shed blood our ransom, our pardon, our peace.

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
RISEN, to find in Him the righteousness which alone makes us righteous, and permits us, all unworthy as we are, to draw near with boldness, in His name, to Him who is His Father and our Father, His God and our God.

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
GLORIFIED, to find in Him our Heavenly Advocate completing by His intercession the work inspired by His lovingkindness for our salvation (1John 2:1); Who even now is appearing for us before the face of God (Heb. 9:24), the kingly Priest, the spotless Victim, continually bearing the iniquity of our holy things (Ex. 28:38).

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
REVEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, to find in constant communion with Him the cleansing of our sin-stained hearts, the illumination of our darkened spirits, the transformation of our rebel wills; enabled by Him to triumph over all attacks of the world and of the evil one, resisting their violence by Jesus our Strength, and overcoming their subtlety by Jesus our Wisdom; upheld by the sympathy of Jesus, Who was spared no temptation . . . .Who yielded to none.

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
WHO GIVES REPENTANCE as well as forgiveness of sins (Acts 5:31), because He gives us the grace to recognize, to deplore, to confess, and to forsake our transgressions.

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
TO RECEIVE FROM HIM the task and the cross for each day, with the grace which is sufficient to carry the cross and to accomplish the task; the grace that enables us to be patient with His patience, active with His activity, loving with His love; never asking "What am I able for?" but rather: "What is He not able for?" and waiting for His strength which is make perfect in our weakness (2Cor. 12:9).

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
TO GO FORTH FROM OURSELVES and to forget ourselves; so that our darkness may flee away before the brightness of His face; so that our joys may be holy, and our sorrow restrained; that He may

cast us down, and that He may raise us up; that He may afflict us, and that He may comfort us; that He may despoil us, and that He may enrich us; that He may teach us to pray, and that He may answer our prayers; that while leaving us in the world, He may separate us from it, our life being hidden with Him in God, and our behavior bearing witness to Him before men.

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
WHO, HAVING RETURNED TO THE FATHER'S HOUSE, is engaged in preparing a place there for us; so that this joyful prospect may make us live in hope, and prepare us to die in peace, when the day shall come for us to meet this last enemy, whom He has overcome for us, whom we shall overcome through Him - so that what was once the king of terrors is today the harbinger of eternal happiness.

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
WHOSE CERTAIN RETURN, at an uncertain time, is from age to age the expectation and the hope of the faithful Church, who is encouraged in her patience, watchfulness, and joy by the thought that the Savior is at hand (Phil. 4: 4-5; 1Thes. 5:23).

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
THE AUTHOR AND THE FINISHER OF OUR FAITH: that is to say, He Who is its pattern and its source, even as He is its object; and Who from the first step even to the last marches at the head of the believers; so that by Him our faith may be inspired, encouraged, sustained, and led on to its supreme consummation.

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
AND AT NOTHING ELSE, as our text expresses it in one untranslatable word (aphoroontes), which at the same time directs us to fix our gaze upon Him, and to turn it away from everything else.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT OURSELVES, our thoughts, our reasonings, our imaginings, our inclinations, our wishes, our plans;

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT THE WORLD, its customs, its example, its rules, its judgments;

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT SATAN, though he seek to terrify us by his fury, or to entice us by his flatteries. Oh! from how many useless questions we would save ourselves, from how many disturbing scruples, from how much loss of time, dangerous dallyings with evil, waste of energy, empty dreams, bitter disappointments, sorrowful struggles, and distressing falls, by looking steadily unto Jesus, and by following Him wherever He may lead us. Then we shall be too much occupied with not losing sight of the path which He marks out for us, to waste even a glance on those in which He does not think it suitable to lead us.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT OUR CREEDS, no matter how evangelical they may be. The faith which saves, which sanctifies, and which comforts, is not giving assent to the doctrine of salvation; it is being united to the person of the Savior. "It is not enough," said Adolphe Monod, "to know about Jesus Christ, it is necessary to have Jesus Christ." To this one may add that no one truly knows Him, if he does not first possess Him. According to the profound saying of the beloved disciple, it is in the Life there is Light, and it is in Jesus there is Life (John 1:4).

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT OUR MEDITATIONS AND OUR PRAYERS, our pious conversations and our profitable reading, the holy meetings that we attend, nor even to our taking part in the supper of the Lord.

Let us faithfully use all these means of grace, but without confusing them with grace itself; and without turning our gaze away from Him Who alone makes them effectual, when, by their means, He reveals Himself to us.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT TO OUR POSITION IN THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH, to the family to which we belong, to our baptism, to the education which we have received, to the doctrine which we profess, to the opinion which others have formed of our piety, or to the opinion which we have formed of it ourselves. Some of those who have prophesied in the Name of the Lord Jesus will one day hear Him say: "I never knew you" (Matt. 7:22-23); but He will confess before His Father and before His angels even the most humble of those who have looked unto Him.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT TO OUR BRETHREN, not even to the best among them and the most beloved. In following a man we run the risk of losing our way; in following Jesus we are sure of never losing our way. Besides, in putting a man between Jesus and ourselves, it will come to pass that insensibly the man will increase and Jesus will decrease; soon we no longer know how to find Jesus when we cannot find the man, and if he fails us, all fails. On the contrary, if Jesus is kept between us and our closest friend, our attachment to the person will be at the same time less enthralling and more deep; less passionate and more tender; less necessary and more useful; an instrument of rich blessing in the hands of God when He is pleased to make use of him; and whose absence will be a further blessing, when it may please God to dispense with him, to draw us even nearer to the only Friend who can be separated from us by "neither death nor life" (Rom. 8:38-39).

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT HIS ENEMIES OR AT OUR OWN. In place of

hating them and fearing them, we shall then know how to love them and to overcome them.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT THE OBSTACLES which meet us in our path. As soon as we stop to consider them, they amaze us, they confuse us, they overwhelm us, incapable as we are of understanding either the reason why they are permitted, or the means by which we may overcome them. The apostle began to sink as soon as he turned to look at the waves tossed by the storm; it was while he was looking at Jesus that he walked on the waters as on a rock. The more difficult our task, the more terrifying our temptation, the more essential it is that we look only at Jesus.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT OUR TROUBLES, to count up their number, to reckon their weight, to find perhaps a certain strange satisfaction in tasting their bitterness. apart from Jesus trouble does not sanctify, it hardens or it crushes. It produces not patience, but rebellion; not sympathy, but selfishness; not hope (Rom. 5:3) but despair. It is only under the shadow of the cross that we can appreciate the true weight of our own cross, and accept it each day from His hand, to carry it with love, with gratitude, with joy; and find in it for ourselves and for others a source of blessings.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT THE DEAREST, THE MOST LEGITIMATE OF OUR EARTHLY JOYS, lest we be so engrossed in them that they deprive us of the sight of the very One Who gives them to us. If we are looking at Him first of all, then it is from Him we receive these good things, made a thousand times more precious because we possess them as gifts from His loving hand, which we entrust to His keeping, to enjoy them in communion with Him, and to use them for His glory.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT THE INSTRUMENTS, whatever they may be which He employs to form the path which He has appointed for us. Looking beyond man, beyond circumstances, beyond the thousand causes so rightly called secondary, let us ascend as far as the first cause - His will: let us ascend even to the source of this very will - His love. Then our gratitude, without being less lively towards those who do us good, will not stop at them; then in the testing day, under the most unexpected blow, the most inexplicable, the most overwhelming, we can say with the Psalmist: "I was dumb, I opened not my mouth; because thou didst it" (Ps. 39:9). And in the silence of our dumb sorrow the heavenly voice will gently reply: "What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter" (John 13:7).

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT THE INTERESTS OF OUR CAUSE, Of OUR PARTY, OF OUR CHURCH - still less at our personal interests. The single object of our life is the glory of God; if we do not make it the supreme goal of our efforts, we must deprive ourselves of His help, for His grace is only at the service of His glory. If, on the contrary, it is His glory that we seek above all, we can always count on His grace.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT THE SINCERITY OF OUR INTENTIONS, AND AT THE STRENGTH OF OUR RESOLUTIONS. Alas! how often the most excellent intentions have only prepared the way for the most humiliating falls. Let us stay ourselves, not on our intentions, but on His love; not on our resolutions, but on His promise.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT OUR STRENGTH. Our strength is good only to glorify ourselves; to glorify God one must have the strength of God.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT OUR WEAKNESS. By lamenting our weakness have we ever become more strong? Let us look to Jesus, and His strength will communicate itself to our hearts, His praise will break forth from our lips.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT OUR SINS, neither at the source from which they come (Matt. 15:19) nor the chastisement which they deserve. Let us look at ourselves, only to recognize how much need we have of looking to Him; and looking to Him, certainly not as if we were sinless; but on the contrary, because we are sinners, measuring the very greatness of the offense by the greatness of the sacrifice which has atoned for it, and of the grace which pardons it. "For one look that we turn on ourselves," said an eminent servant of God (McCheyne) "let us turn ten upon Jesus." "If it is very sure," said Vinet, "that one will not lose sight of his wretched state by looking at Jesus Christ crucified - because this wretched state is, as it were, graven upon the cross - it is also very sure that in looking at one's wretchedness one can lose sight of Jesus Christ; because the cross is not naturally graven upon the image of one's wretchedness." And he adds, "Look at yourselves, but only in the presence of the cross, only through Jesus Christ." Looking at the sin only gives death; looking at Jesus gives life. That which healed the Israelite in the wilderness was not considering his wounds, but raising his eyes to the serpent of brass (Num. 21:9).

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT - DO WE NEED TO SAY IT? - AT OUR PRETENSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. Ill above all who are ill is he who believes himself in health; blind above the blind he who thinks that he sees (John 9:41). If it is dangerous to look long at our wretchedness which is, alas! too real; it is much more dangerous to rest complacently on imaginary merits.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT THE LAW. The law gives commands, and gives no strength to carry them out; the law always condemns, and never pardons. If we put ourselves back under the law, we take ourselves away from grace. In so far as we make our obedience the means of our salvation, we lose our peace, our joy, our strength; for we have forgotten that Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth (Rom. 10:4). As soon as the law has constrained us to seek in Him our only Savior, then also to Him only belongs the right to command our obedience; an obedience which includes nothing less than our whole heart, and our most secret thoughts, but which has ceased from being an iron yoke, and an insupportable burden, to become an easy yoke and a light burden (Matt. 11:30). It is an obedience which He makes as delightful as it is binding, an obedience which He inspires, at the same time as He requires it, and which in very truth, is less a consequence of our salvation than it is a part of this very salvation - and, like all the rest, a free gift.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR HIM. Too much occupied with our work, we can forget our Master - it is possible to have the hands full and the heart empty. When occupied with our Master, we cannot forget our work; if the heart is filled with His love, how can the hands fail to be active in His service?

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT TO THE APPARENT SUCCESS OF OUR EFFORTS. The apparent success is not the measure of the real success; and besides, God has not told us to succeed, but to work; it is of our work that He requires an account, and not of our success - why then concern ourselves with it? It is for us to scatter the seed, for God to gather the fruit; if not today, then it will be tomorrow; if He does not employ us to gather it, then He will employ others. Even when success is granted to us, it is always dangerous to fix our attention on it: on the one hand we are tempted to take some of the

credit of it to ourselves; on the other hand we thus accustom ourselves to abate our zeal when we cease to perceive its result, that is to say, at the very time when we should redouble our energy. To look at the success is to walk by sight; to look at Jesus, and to persevere in following Him and serving Him, inspite of all discouragements, is to walk by faith.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT TO THE SPIRITUAL GIFTS which we have already received, or which we are now receiving from Him. As to yesterday's grace, it has passed with yesterday's work; we can no longer make use of it, we should no longer linger over it. As to today's grace given for today's work, it is entrusted to us, not to be looked at, but to be used. We are not to gloat over it as a treasure, counting up our riches, but to spend it immediately, and remain poor, "Looking unto Jesus."

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT THE AMOUNT OF SORROW that our sins make us experience, or the amount of humiliation which they produce in us. If only we are humiliated by them enough to make us no longer complacent with ourselves; if only we are troubled by them enough to make us look to Jesus, so that He may deliver us from them, that is all that He asks from us; and it is also this look which more than anything else will make our tears spring and our pride fall. And when it is given to us as to Peter to weep bitterly (Luke 22:62), oh! then may our tear-dimmed eyes remain more than ever directed unto Jesus; for even our repentance will become a snare to us, if we think to blot out in some measure by our tears those sins which nothing can blot out, except the blood of the Lamb of God.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT THE BRIGHTNESS OF OUR JOY, the strength of our assurance, or the warmth of our love. Otherwise, when for a little time this love seems to have grown cold, this assurance to have

vanished, this joy to have failed us - either as the result of our own faithlessness, or for the trial of our faith - immediately, having lost our feelings, we think that we have lost our strength, and we allow ourselves to fall into an abyss of sorrow, even into cowardly idleness, or perhaps sinful complaints. Ah! rather let us remember that if the feelings with their sweetness, are absent, the faith with its strength remains with us. To be able always to be "abounding in the work of the Lord" (1Cor. 15:58) let us look steadily, not at our ever changeful hearts, but at Jesus, who is always the same.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT THE HEIGHTS OF HOLINESS to which we attained. If no one may believe himself a child of God so long as he still finds stains in his heart, and stumblings in his life, who could taste the joy of salvation? But this joy is not bought with a price. Holiness is the fruit, not the root of our redemption. It is the work of Jesus Christ for us which reconciles us unto God; it is the work of the Holy Spirit in us which renews us in His likeness. The shortcomings of a faith which is true, but not yet fully established, and bearing but little fruit, in no way lessens the fullness of the perfect work of the Savior, nor the certainty of His unchanging promise, guaranteeing life eternal unto whomsoever trusts in Him. And so to rest in the Redeemer is the true way to obey Him; and it is only when enjoying the peace of forgiveness that the soul is strong for the conflict.
If there are any who abuse this blessed truth by giving themselves over unscrupulously to spiritual idleness, imagining that they can let the faith which they think they have take the place of the holiness which they have not, they should remember this solemn warning of the Apostle Paul: "They that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and the lusts" (Gal. 5:24); and that of the Apostle John: "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1John 2:4); and that of the Lord Jesus Himself, "Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire" (Matt. 7:19).

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT OUR DEFEATS OR VICTORIES. If we look at our defeats we shall be cast down; if we look at our victories we shall be puffed up. And neither will help us to fight the good fight of faith (1Tim. 6:12). Like all our blessings, the victory, with the faith which wins it, it the gift of God through our Lord Jesus Christ (1Cor. 15:57), and to Him is all the glory.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT OUR DOUBTS. The more we look at them the larger they appear, until they can swallow up all our faith, our strength, and our joy. But if we look away from them to our Lord Jesus, Who is the Truth (John 14:6), the doubts will scatter in the light of His presence like clouds before the sun.

UNTO JESUS
AND NOT AT OUR FAITH. The last device of the adversary, when he cannot make us look elsewhere, is to turn our eyes from the Savior to our faith, and thus to discourage us if it is weak, to fill us with pride if it is strong: and either way to weaken us. For power does not come from the faith, but from the Savior by faith. It is not looking at our look, it is "looking unto Jesus,"

UNTO JESUS
AND IT IS FROM HIM AND IN HIM that we learn to know (not only without danger, but for the well-being of our souls) what it is good for us to know about the world and about ourselves, our sorrows and our dangers, our resources and our victories: seeing everything in its true light, because it is He Who shows them to us, and that only at the time and in the proportion in which this knowledge will produce in us the fruits of humility and wisdom, gratitude and courage, watchfulness and prayer. All that it is desirable for us to know, the Lord Jesus will teach us; all that we do not learn from Him, it is better for us not to know.

LOOKING UNTO JESUS
AS LONG AS WE REMAIN ON THE EARTH - unto Jesus from moment to moment, without allowing ourselves to be distracted by memories of a past which we should leave behind us, nor by occupation with a future of which we know nothing

UNTO JESUS NOW
IF WE HAVE NEVER LOOKED UNTO HIM --

UNTO JESUS AFRESH,
IF WE HAVE CEASED DOING SO --

UNTO JESUS ONLY,

UNTO JESUS STILL,

UNTO JESUS ALWAYS --
WITH A GAZE MORE AND MORE CONSTANT, more and more confident, "changed into the same image from glory to glory" (2Cor. 3:18). Thus we await the hour when He will call us to pass from earth to Heaven, and from time to eternity --
The promised hour,
the blessed hour
when at last "we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is" (1John 3:2).


So,DO NOT LISTEN to BLAH BLAH......

STAY FOCUSED ON JESUS...
Hope it helps!

[Robert]

Yes, Jesus was rich and he IS rich; in fact, he is the richest person in all the universe.

Here's why:


For one thing: he has perfect fellowship with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

Another is that he is the King of Kings. He is ROYALTY

Also: the entire UNIVERSE is his, including all the gold, silver, and valuable metals and gems.

He is very much loved by his Father, which is beyond all value.

ALL creation obeys and worships him (except for fallen angels and man).


Jesus is rich in ways we cannot comprehend; that said, if you read the first 3 chapters of Ephesians, it tells us what our "heavenly bank account" is when we are saved. We may not have all of it now, but as with a trust fund, it is there for when we "come of age." We are co-heirs with Christ in the Kingdom to come, and the eternal state that is yet to be after that.

All of that said, Christ's riches did not constitute what men hold as "wealth"; this may seem contradictory to what I have initially said, but keep in mind: what we consider wealth here God uses for PAVEMENT in New Jerusalem. Men value shiny metals, gems and paper that has a value assigned to it on this planet. Jesus values holiness, faith, obedience and love for the Father.

[jesuschangesall]

Yes, Jesus was rich and he IS rich; in fact, he is the richest person in all the universe.

Here's why:


For one thing: he has perfect fellowship with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

Another is that he is the King of Kings. He is ROYALTY

Also: the entire UNIVERSE is his, including all the gold, silver, and valuable metals and gems.

He is very much loved by his Father, which is beyond all value.

ALL creation obeys and worships him (except for fallen angels and man).


Jesus is rich in ways we cannot comprehend; that said, if you read the first 3 chapters of Ephesians, it tells us what our "heavenly bank account" is when we are saved. We may not have all of it now, but as with a trust fund, it is there for when we "come of age." We are co-heirs with Christ in the Kingdom to come, and the eternal state that is yet to be after that.

All of that said, Christ's riches did not constitute what men hold as "wealth"; this may seem contradictory to what I have initially said, but keep in mind: what we consider wealth here God uses for PAVEMENT in New Jerusalem. Men value shiny metals, gems and paper that has a value assigned to it on this planet. Jesus values holiness, faith, obedience and love for the Father.

once again cheeseburger kid SPOT ON!

[mattfivefour]

I agree! Right on target as usual, bro!

[AnnS]

Heard a sermon once; that Jesus and his family were probably very financially secure. He was a carpenter by trade and the Joseph family more than likely had their own business as it was the custom to train the son in the family business.

When He is mentioned in those scriptures, it was his choice to live as He did so that He could connect with the poor and downtrodden. He was also accommodated by many weathy/well-to-do people in the cities He traveled in.

Jesus was not by any means a begger and I'm sure He would have and could have paid His own way since He certainly approved of the work ethic. Paul as prolific as he constantly was, still worked mending tents and refused to take money from the Chruch funds, even though he was entitled to be provided for.

[mattfivefour]

I heard His Father owns the cattle on a thousand hills.

[jesuschangesall]

I heard His Father owns the cattle on a thousand hills.

You heard right!!!
Now...I heard in a beautiful teaching by Jon Courson ( searchlight website) that the gifts of the wise men helped Joseph and Mary to establish their family.
I like that....

By the way the wise men brought GOLD,INCENSE and MYRRH....
All precious and expensive items....
But I also like to see the spiritual meaning behind those precious gifts..
GOLD =stands for DIVINE ROYALTY,and GOD's RIGHTEOUSNESS...
INCENSE stands for PRAISE....to THE LORD
MYRRH prophetically points to the sufferance of the Calvary cross....
what do you say Adrian?

Jesus....Wonderful Jesus...was He rich?
Well,I personally think that the gospels speak to us of Jesus earthly passage......
but we must also remember that Jesus,being God Incarnate,was and is GOD from Eternity past to Eternity future...in other words,being God was and is THE RICHEST PERSON in the universe(s)....
Forget Bill Gates!

In fact,what really blows me is not so much the power of Jesus,He is the all powerful one,but HIS HUMILITY.....that HE being GOD lowered Himself to us,to me,of all people!

It is almost nonsensical to talk of Jesus money when He was on the earth those 33 years,like some tele-evangelists or prosperity teachers want to underline,because eventually they are going to ask for our money ...we know that....

I believe that in His wonderful relationship with The Father,Jesus as THE REAL MAN according to The Father will,well,HE lacked NOTHING....
But I do not think He had all this money that those hirelings mention....

in the episode of Give to Caesar's what is Caesar's ...He asked for a coin to show whose name and image was on it....so Jesus did not have a coin in his pocket...did HE?
At the same time He was not going around like a Genie popping money here and there out of nothing,did He?

But once when He needed money to pay taxes told Peter to go fish and old Pete found a Didracma I think inside the fish belly for Jesus's tax and his too!......

Also Jesus UNDERLINED that money is NOT NEUTRAL....He said that we cannot serve GOD and MAMMON...( that was THE GOD MONEY of the time...).....and so.....
interesting .......add some more Adrian....
Shalom

[mattfivefour]

By the way the wise men brought GOLD,INCENSE and MYRRH....
All precious and expensive items....
But I also like to see the spiritual meaning behind those precious gifts..
GOLD =stands for DIVINE ROYALTY,and GOD's RIGHTEOUSNESS...
INCENSE stands for PRAISE....to THE LORD
MYRRH prophetically points to the sufferance of the Calvary cross....
what do you say Adrian?

Absolutely! Almost. Very closely.

Gold speaks of righteousness and holiness. Incense represents prayer and praise. And myrrh represents the One who was pierced ... for myrrh is extracted from the Middle Eastern balsam (Commiphora gileadensis) by piercing the bark so that the aromatic sap runs out. It is not only fragrant but has healing qualities as well. It is awesome how this represents Christ. In fact, everything used in temple worship is symbolic of Christ, his death, resurrection, and our salvation.

(I am shortly going to post an article on the ingredients of the anointing oil, likely tonight. It is a beautiful picture of our Savior.)

[Robert]

Heard a sermon once; that Jesus and his family were probably very financially secure. He was a carpenter by trade and the Joseph family more than likely had their own business as it was the custom to train the son in the family business.

When He is mentioned in those scriptures, it was his choice to live as He did so that He could connect with the poor and downtrodden. He was also accommodated by many weathy/well-to-do people in the cities He traveled in.

Jesus was not by any means a begger and I'm sure He would have and could have paid His own way since He certainly approved of the work ethic. Paul as prolific as he constantly was, still worked mending tents and refused to take money from the Chruch funds, even though he was entitled to be provided for.

Why is it now when I think of Joseph I keep seeing Norm Abram?

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[myinnuendo999]

I always quote to someone who follows the prosperity doctrince 2 things.

I quote the scripture that says. Foxes have holes and birds have nests but the Son of Man has no where to lay his head. Jesus didn't have a home.

The other thing is that he was laid to rest in another man's tomb because he didn't have the money for his own resting place.

Jesus certainly didn't have any Earthly riches and his only possessions, his clothes, were divided amongst the Roman soldiers by lot. I doubt very much Jesus had a suit made by a famous designer/clothes maker of the day.

Yes Jesus was defintiley not rich, not even well off. If you were doing OK you at least had some house somewhere but Jesus didn't even have a roof over his head. He was the equvialent of a begger, a poor and needy person.

The people who peddle Prosperity doctrine forget to look at all the verses that tell us not to run after wealth and material things but to be RICH in Chirst and the Word of God.

Where are our riches? In Heaven not on this Earth.

It is good to have finances to cover your needs and to be able to give. Nothing wrong with owning a house or car and having some material things. We don't need to put all our effort in getting money to have these things. God knows we need them and He will help provide them for us.



Simple as that. You can't have both GOD and Money as your master. One or the other.

Wonderful truths Hannah

I've noticed the word PROSPERITY is misused and abused in the Bible. Why do people always equate prosperity with money? I thought that prosperity for the Christian was all about their relationship with Christ. I thought that knowing Jesus and growing in our fellowship with Him and relationship was prosperity. Nothing is more important than getting to know him. If we desire things more than getting to know Christ, then something is mighty wrong. True love desires to know Jesus more than getting things.. If you really love someone youre not going to care about things more than Jesus.

Jeremiah 9:23-24-3 This is what the LORD says: "Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches, 24 but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight,"declares the LORD

[Obadiah]

If Jesus was rich (in the sense advocated by the 'prosperity' hawker quoted in the OP)...

Why, when He wanted to make a point involving the use of a coin, did He need someone else to give Him one (Matthew 22:19)?

Why, when He was challenged to pay the temple tax, did He have to get a coin miraculously out of the mouth of a fish (Matthew 17:27)?

Seems to me a rich guy would have had the money on him.

[mattfivefour]

Good points, Obadiah.

[KR McKay]

...Gold speaks of righteousness and holiness...

I also once heard it conjectured that God provided the gold -- through the "wise men" -- to finance the flight to Egypt that He knew Joseph would have to take his family on to escape Herod's murderous purposes.

Perhaps?

...I've noticed the word PROSPERITY is misused and abused in the Bible. Why do people always equate prosperity with money...

I watch -- at least semi-regularly -- the program Jewish Voice, hosted by Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Bernis. He was speaking -- just the other day -- about the misunderstanding of the concept of "prosperity" in the Old Testament. He noted that the word translated so often "prosper" or "prosperity" is actually the word, "Shalom." He noted that "Shalom" is not, as we tend to think in the western world, just a word that means, "peace." Rather, "Shalom" encompasses the concepts of "peace" and "happiness," but also and more correctly it expresses the concept of "completion" and "completeness." [Perhaps Matt has more that he can contribute on this subject!] Thus, when God tells someone that He intends to "prosper" them, if the original word was "Shalom," what he was telling that person is that he intends to impart happiness and peace to them by "completing" them -- making them the whole, complete person that He designed them to be. (Which means, of course, that they would be "made" in accordance with His will, which will result in their "peace"). What He is NOT necessarily saying at all, though, is, "I'm gonna make you RICH!" (Of course, He did make SOME people rich, and sometimes, those people used the wealth correctly. But, obviously, NOT everyone)!

[mattfivefour]

Not to presume to argue with a rabbi ... but in a cursory examination of the Tenach in Hebrew, I have not encountered shalom as "prosper". In fact, the most common word used is צָלַח (tsalach, pronounced tsaw-LAKH) which means to prosper, to be profitable, to be successful, to succeed.

[Hannah]

OK I understand Jesus is God and they own everything.

Don't the Prosperity mob try to tell us while on Earth Jesus was Rich???? And so they follow up with you should be as well because you are the child of God? Are we on the same page here?

I didn't see Jesus as Rolling in Wealth while He was here on Earth?

Now I know Jesus could have called down a legion of Angels to protect him but He didn't. I know Jesus could turn stones into bread but He didn't.

Jesus didn't come down to Earth in His role as King of the Universe but as a man and a servant of God. Jesus walked around this Earth not as a Rich King for a reason.

2CO 8:8 I am not commanding you, but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others. 9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

I know Jesus is Rich but while on Earth He put aside His riches to live as one of us and serve the Lord in perfect obedience.

The Prosperity Boys are not talking about being comfortable or well off but having more money that you know what to do with Rich. Which I don't see Jesus having or displaying while here on Earth??

Anyway I feel I am missing the flow of the thread here.

[2010&Saved]

Thank you all very much for your response to my concern! My main post may seem a bit mixed up. After I had made the main post wondering if Jesus was rich, I came back and edited in the second part of my post to ask another question along with the main one. Which has not really been touched upon. All in all though, thank you for your very good answers!

Yes, I am a born again christian and have accepted and confessed Jesus sacrifice for my sins, and believe he was raised on the third day! Due to my sin making me feel so guilty all the time I feel as if im boasting when I say I'm saved..which is awful of me I presume.

[jesuschangesall]

Thank you all very much for your response to my concern! My main post may seem a bit mixed up. After I had made the main post wondering if Jesus was rich, I came back and edited in the second part of my post to ask another question along with the main one. Which has not really been touched upon. All in all though, thank you for your very good answers!

Yes, I am a born again christian and have accepted and confessed Jesus sacrifice for my sins, and believe he was raised on the third day! Due to my sin making me feel so guilty all the time I feel as if im boasting when I say I'm saved..which is awful of me I presume.

Ehy,cheer up.....
the fact is that by nature we ALL are sinners...cannot change that...
We are NOT sinners because we sin,rather we sin BECAUSE we are sinners!
Like an apple tree...produces apples.....I mean,you do not expect to pick pears from an apple tree,do you?
Same thing...asap we come to the age of accountability,asap we grow enough to understand and make decisions,well,is a fact,we sin...it is the nature of Adam....we are born with that nature...cannot get rid of that in a million years in our own fleshly efforts....BUT when we believe in Jesus,when we trust in Him and Him alone,when we call on Him to save us,as I did,as you did,He saves us ETERNALLY and gives us a NEW NATURE,His nature,and that new nature will grow and manifest itself if we allow that by faith,by feeding the new nature with The Word of God accompanied by prayer .....I mean....the more we study,meditate,believe and act upon His Word,our new man grows and develops....until the very moment The Lord takes us home,via rapture or death or resurrection..at that moment He will complete what He has started...HE WILL PERFECT US in an instant !
In the meantime,while we are still on the body,we will experience a constant conflict between the Flesh and The Spirit..we all do...there is NOT a single believer on this planet now,man or woman,young or old that does not sin anymore.Impossible...and I am not even mentioning gross sins like stealing,killing or committing adultery and similar stuff...no...what about pride?what about hidden thoughts...what about not LOVING GOD and our fellowman as we should?
If I do not go around killing or raping women,I still sin everyday, even though my new nature does not want sin anymore...so reading Romans, especially Romans 7 and Romans 8 helps us understand what a great work The Lord has performed on our behalf and how powerful He is to accomplish His will in us if we let Him in the course of the life time which has been allotted to us...

Remember Saved2010 that Jesus has come to save SINNERS( HE IS THE GIFT OF GOD to undeserving despicable sinners like me) and He does NOT make us better,HE GIVES US a NEW LIFE,His LIFE,HI SPIRIT,HIS WORD,HIS BODY,HIS PROMISES and HE IS FAITHFUL and will bring to completion what He has started in us and for us!

I am sure The Mods and other here can explain better than me and encourage you in the Faith,I just wanted encourage you in The Lord,I need DAILY encouragement and after 38 odd years in the faith I still need Him moment by moment because failing is so much easier that doing it right,but HIS BLOOD COVERS US and while we walk with Him in His Love and Faith,His Blood washes us and His Word and Spirit sustain us.

Shalom!