Premise

[myinnuendo999]

I didn't know where to place this question,, but I'll settle it here. My question is,, what is the first thing in a sentence you should look for? the major premise?

I'm learning deduction.. Thank you for any help..

It is regrettable that I didn't learn this in school.. But did they really teach "critical thinking"? Then again, it was probably ME at fault not knowing "then" as a child the importance NOW..

[micah719]

The first thing I look for is the verb, and from there I look for the subject....trying to get the intent of the person that wrote it....

[mattfivefour]

I look for the premise in the paragraph before analyzing any sentences. when I do examine a sentence I read it as a whole and then—in its simplest terms—look for the subject ("who"), the action ("what they are doing") and the object ("to whom they are doing it"). Of course it is a lot more complex than that, but in the active voice that is its most basic form.

In studying deduction, you might bear in mind the metaphor of a wall. Examining the individual bricks (analogous to sentences) you might discover their composition, their color, their particular nature, but in order to understand the purpose of the wall (the argument) you have to look at the whole wall itself. In analyzing any argument, you first have to understand the point being made (what does the wall look like), then how that point is arrived at (how did the builder make it look like that). You need to determine whether the premises being posited by the proposer of the argument are true, are accurately represented, and are germane to the argument. You then need to determine whether certain premises have been ignored or weakened in order to strengthen the argument. Finally, you need to determine whether the deduction made by the author of the argument is a valid deduction that flows logically from the facts, or has the person used any of the many errors of logic in coming to what is, thus, a false conclusion. That process is the basis of critical thinking.

[Eco]

I look for the premise in the paragraph before analyzing any sentences. when I do examine a sentence I read it as a whole and then—in its simplest terms—look for the subject ("who"), the action ("what they are doing") and the object ("to whom they are doing it"). Of course it is a lot more complex than that, but in the active voice that is its most basic form.

In studying deduction, you might bear in mind the metaphor of a wall. Examining the individual bricks (analogous to sentences) you might discover their composition, their color, their particular nature, but in order to understand the purpose of the wall (the argument) you have to look at the whole wall itself. In analyzing any argument, you first have to understand the point being made (what does the wall look like), then how that point is arrived at (how did the builder make it look like that). You need to determine whether the premises being posited by the proposer of the argument are true, are accurately represented, and are germane to the argument. You then need to determine whether certain premises have been ignored or weakened in order to strengthen the argument. Finally, you need to determine whether the deduction made by the author of the argument is a valid deduction that flows logically from the facts, or has the person used any of the many errors of logic in coming to what is, thus, a false conclusion. That process is the basis of critical thinking.

[myinnuendo999]

quote from mattfivefour "Finally, you need to determine whether the deduction made by the author of the argument is a valid deduction that flows logically from the facts, or has the person used any of the many errors of logic in coming to what is, thus, a false conclusion. That process is the basis of critical thinking." Thank you

okay I believe I got that--a syllogism-a major premise a minor premise and a conclusion
and I'm learning that if the premise is false then you have a problem with the process of deduction, a fallacy .

Okay, I'm going to make a BIG jump here cause I'm still pretty shallow..

In the Gospel of John is it proper to ask ,,,What is the premise?
the reason why I ask, is because I want to defend John 1:1. Not with all the normal arguments that people go around in circles with such as the original Greek construction etc. I want to support John 1:1 with the proper deduction. so that people cannot pour into the verse their New Age Spiritual Christ and Gnosticism.

so should I ask WHY the Gospel of John was written and go from there?


thanks micah719 and mattfivefour for the Lord has blessed me with such helpful brothers in Christ...

[Robert]

First thing I look for is the period.

[Chris]

First thing I look for is the period.

[anath]

Not sure that I understand your question, sis. I just love the Gospel of John so much that I want to comment

I would ask why John was written. John 1:1...this verse puts controvercy to rest. Jesus's divine nature and Diety are nailed down right from the beginning. Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God, God in flesh. This is the best way to set up why this Gospel was written. Then, God's love for us, John 3:16... John 20:3, but these things are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, ... etc.

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)....and because of man's sinfulness we were alienated from God but God so loved us, He provided a way for us to be reconciled unto Him therefore Jesus Christ came to make propitation for our sins.

This book is all about His incredible AMAZING LOVE . My heart leaps and bounds. I am so in awe of His Love for me.

[mattfivefour]

Beautifully said, sis. You answered so well the question of why John wrote his Gospel.

Myinnuendo, I am afraid there is bad news for you in terms of demonstrating any syllogistic logic. You see the Holy Spirit does not present any arguments when presenting the truth of God. He simply states facts ... with no argument, no deductions, no "this therefore that."

Let me demonstrate.

The Bible begins: "In the beginning God ... " No argument for His existence or why we should believe in Him. Simply "In the beginning God." It is fact. There it is. Believe it ... or not. (There is ample evidence produced in the rest of the Bible which demonstrates why those who choose not to believe are condemned. For example, in Romans 1:18-20 we read: "The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." You'll find Romans 1:20 echoed in Job 12:7; Psalm 19:1; and Jeremiah 5:21, among others. But the point is— the Bible begins not with an argument, but with a fact.

So too the Gospel of John. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." (John 1:1-5) Again, no argument. No attempt to convince you. Just a statement of fact.

(Inicidentally, a total aside here— those first beautiful verses of John's gospel are five in number. Five is the Biblical number of God's mercy and grace. I think that is so awesome that in those five sentences the truth of Jesus Christ, our Savior, is given. The pictured Jesus is the perfect expression of God's love for us, His mercy, and His grace.)

Back to the topic. God does not try to convince men. He simply presents truth. Man can do with it what he will. And to any heart that is willing to consider God, He will give proof after proof after proof, showing us that our faith in Him is not blind but based on seeing enough to trust Him with the rest.

Hope this helps.

[micah719]

From time to time I hear people mention Bible numbers, such as 7 being Holy, 13 being judgement, 6 for man, and so on....can someone please help me out and make a detailed listing of a few more, perhaps even all of them? How many are there anyway, one for each of the Hebrew letters? Is that 22?

[myinnuendo999]

That is soooo beautiful mattfivefour.. I would have concluded with John 20:31 to support John 1:1. However, you have just shown that there IS no argument... What a JOY in Christ when get to prize such truths and treasure them in our hearts.

"In the beginning GOD,," WOW "In the beginning was the Word,,,,"


Oh, micah I have a few numbers and what they mean from Adrian Rogers


"Two is the number of witness. How many testaments do we have that bear witness to the Lord Jesus? Two the Old Testament and the New Testament. Jesus Christ is the second person in the Trinity Revelation 1:5-"Jesus Christ who is the Faithful Witness". Two angels were at the ascension of the Lord Jesus. Two witnesses are in revelation. When Jesus sent people out he sent them in twos."

"Three is the Divine number. Our God is not only the One true God but he is three In One- Revelation 1:8. Man is made in the image of God. Man is body soul and spirit =1 Thes. 5:23. Everything that God has made in this world is a reflection of his trune nature. Time is Triune-past,present and future. Space is sure you height, width and depth. Matter is triune-energy, motion and phenomina. Everything that God has done is triune."

"4 is earth's number. Isaiah 11:12 speaks of the four corners of the earth speaks of the four points of the compass north south east and west."

Seven is a reflection of the perfection of God it is the perfect number. Man is not perfect. there are seven days in the week. Seven notes in the musical scale. Joshua marched around the walls of Jericho 7 times. There are seven parables and and Matthew 13:7. There are multiples of seven. Jesus sent out 70 to preach the perfect gospel. There are 70 weeks in Daniel and when you find seven cut in Half, it speaks of danger in division .3 1/2 years and Elisha shut up the sky. 3 1/2 years the Antichrist will sit in the Temple and claim to be God.

"Eight is a number for new beginnings circumcision was on the eighth day. Eight people were on the Ark . IE leper was pronounced clean on the eighth day. Jesus rose three days later on the eighth day the lord's day. Jesus appeared to his disciples again on the eighth day John 20:26."


"12 as a number of gov't there are 12 apostles 12 thrones and 12 tribes. 24 and Revelations speaks of the 12 patriarchs in the old testament in the 12 apostles are in the new testament. This represents the redeemed of all the ages."


Oh, I was reading about when Peter asked Jesus how many times He should forgive and remember,, Jesus said 7 times 70? what does that equal? 490 and what is 490? It dawned on my what Jesus was really saying. 490 is the product of spiritual perfection.


Just have to be very careful with those who practice mysticism and numbers. They come up with all kinds of erroneous spurious doctrines..

[LdyinChrist]

God's Word is sooooo amazing!!!

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.


God gave us language as a means to communicate who He is.

The Word of God is the express image of His person.

The Word was made flesh, to communicate to us in the physical what is Truth in the spiritual.

God is a spirit….but the Word was made flesh ( physical) therefore the Lord Jesus Christ could do nothing but what he saw and heard the Father do.

The way I look at it is like a book and a movie.

Jesus Christ is the book ( the Word) and was made flesh ( the movie) of the express image of God the Father.

Hope this makes sense.

[mattfivefour]

God's Word is sooooo amazing!!!

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.


God gave us language as a means to communicate who He is.

The Word of God is the express image of His person.

The Word was made flesh, to communicate to us in the physical what is Truth in the spiritual.

God is a spirit….but the Word was made flesh ( physical) therefore the Lord Jesus Christ could do nothing but what he saw and heard the Father do.

The way I look at it is like a book and a movie.

Jesus Christ is the book ( the Word) and was made flesh ( the movie) of the express image of God the Father.

Hope this makes sense.

Make sense, sis? It's actually rather neat. I like it.

[myinnuendo999]

the whole reason why I'm studying "logic" is to teach me how to become a "critical thinker". Not that Jesus needs me or any"logic". I know that I add "nothing" to the Gospel or to God's Holy Precious word.. for apologetics as a helpful "tool" for the Christian.. Again not that God needs anyone to learn logic..

I'f I may just copy and paste this from a Christian who says it well as to why all Christians should learn logic ...

In fact lemme just post the website to read

http://www.brethrenassembly.com/Ebooks/Apol_17A1.pdf