What you're not told about tithing

[thallon]

Deuteronomy 14

22 “You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. 23 And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.
24 But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the LORD your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the LORD your God has blessed you, 25 then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. 26 And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household.
27 You shall not forsake the Levite who is within your gates, for he has no part nor inheritance with you.
28 “At the end of every third year you shall bring out the tithe of your produce of that year and store it up within your gates. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, may come and eat and be satisfied, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.


So. how do you read that,
the tithe is an act of worship by you, and who consumes it?......wait a minute it says you...
okay i probably misread it , but i'm pretty sure it says you and your family.
every third year it was for the levite and stranger and wido and fatherless.
So year one and two are for ..... who... you....
no no surely you mean it must go into the common fund.
no i'm pretty sure verse 26 says " And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household"

of course we're not jews,
and we don't live any longer by old testament laws,
the laws are now written on our hearts,
and we don't practice tithing but giving and donations.
Still if you want to tithe,
you really should read what tithing is all about.
and don't use your credit card to give, thats an abomination, [in my opinion]

[thallon]

tithing, giving, donations
should never ever be a 'guilt' offering.
You've been a bad boy all week now if you put a few dollars in the plate that will make everything okay,
it won't.
Jesus is the sacrifice for sins... MONEY is not.
Sin has to be dealt with by confession and repentance not guilt offerings.

Giving is an act of worship, a reflection of YOUR personal relationship with and towards God.

On a practical side
you probably are not aware that a small church has many bills.
The pastor can cost a thousand dollars a week,
liability insurance can cost a couple of thousand dollars a year.
You want lights with your worship? aircon? music?
then someone is going to have to pay the electricity bill.
Who is going to pay for the chairs, carpet cleaning, fixing things?
is the communion wine free?
Even a small church can be supporting various missionarys and projects running into thousands of dollars
a year, or supporting no-one just getting together for a singing session.
So if everybody, say a hundred people, get together and decide a single dollar is enough to put in the plate,
then that church will be poor practically. It won't be able to employ a pastor let alone meet in a hall.

So you can work out the spirituall state of your church quite easily.
TOTAL OFFERINGS FOR A SUNDAY DIVIDED BY
TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE.....

ITS NOT ABOUT ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO TITHE OR GIVE, thats not the way to get more money.
ITS ABOUT GETTING THEM INTO A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
when you do that then they will naturally give more.
ITS NOT ABOUT THE BLING, THE MONEY. Its about a powerfull eternal family connection direct to God.

tithing by credit card is immoral.
and commitment cards, direct debits are just cop outs,
WE WANT CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE A DAILY ONGOING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR GOD
THAT GROWS,
not a 'sign a direct debit form' and then go and forget about it.
If you rely on these things then your church is disfunctional
and i don't think you really understand what worship is about.

[Carl]

So you can work out the spirituall state of your church quite easily.
TOTAL OFFERINGS FOR A SUNDAY DIVIDED BY
TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE.....

ITS NOT ABOUT ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO TITHE OR GIVE, thats not the way to get more money.
ITS ABOUT GETTING THEM INTO A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
when you do that then they will naturally give more.
ITS NOT ABOUT THE BLING, THE MONEY. Its about a powerfull eternal family connection direct to God.

Thank you for that observation. That is precisely the conclusion that I came too. Since I belong to one of those small churches I see exactly what you are saying.

Truth is that most of the folks in the church I go to can't even afford to give at all. Only thing I can say about that is that they have more to give than they think. But most of them don't say anything.

My church has lost many people through the years because we don't have a church building, we don't have programs for the youth, the service is too long. Always have a reason rather than roll up their sleeves and try to make it better. Our mentality seems to be to sit back and complain if someone else doesn't fulfill my wishes.

My rant for the day.

Oh God wake up your people to the truth that it is You that they need. It is You they should seek, it is you that is worthy of our worship!

[SonSeeker]

Obviously all churches have expenses and if the church doesn't pay those expenses, then it will go out of business, so to speak.

But on a personal level, I believe it's more important for the individual to 'give' rather than for the church to 'receive'. When we give of ourselves, either monetarily, or some other material gift, we become "a part of" not "apart from". This is where money and spirituality mix, in the collection plate. When we give of our money we then have a financial stake in the success of the church. Those who financially can't give money can give their time by doing whatever needs to be done around the building, repairs, painting, etc.

Also, I'm wondering what is wrong about using a credit card, etc. Does it have to be cold, hard cash? Is a check ok? A barrel of coins? As long as the church receives the contribution, why does the method make a difference? Just wondering.

[GlennO]

SonSeeker said:

I believe it's more important for the individual to 'give' rather than for the church to 'receive'. When we give of ourselves, either monetarily, or some other material gift, we become "a part of" not "apart from". This is where money and spirituality mix, in the collection plate. When we give of our money we then have a financial stake in the success of the church. Those who financially can't give money can give their time by doing whatever needs to be done around the building, repairs, painting, etc.

[GlennO]

An after thought.....

The principle is not about tithing, it's about giving

[SonSeeker]

An after thought.....

The principle is not about tithing, it's about giving

EXCACTLY!

[Carl]

But on a personal level, I believe it's more important for the individual to 'give' rather than for the church to 'receive'. When we give of ourselves, either monetarily, or some other material gift, we become "a part of" not "apart from". This is where money and spirituality mix, in the collection plate. When we give of our money we then have a financial stake in the success of the church. Those who financially can't give money can give their time by doing whatever needs to be done around the building, repairs, painting, etc.

Also, I'm wondering what is wrong about using a credit card, etc. Does it have to be cold, hard cash? Is a check ok? A barrel of coins? As long as the church receives the contribution, why does the method make a difference? Just wondering.

Exactly right. We are supposed to be making an investment in God's Kingdom. How much is that worth to me?

I don't think there is any difference in which medium of exchange we give in. Our money is no longer backed by gold and silver. But it still represents reimbursement for our labors and as such is what we have to monetarily give back to God.

[Elijah's Mantle]

27 You shall not forsake the Levite who is within your gates, for he has no part nor inheritance with you.
28 “At the end of every third year you shall bring out the tithe of your produce of that year and store it up within your gates. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, may come and eat and be satisfied, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.

ask how do you read that ?

I read it as follows :

The meaning of the third year is the tithe's of the first and second years was to be eaten before the Lord at the sanctuary then what was not used, the balance was given to the sanctuary.

The tithe of the third year was for the poor and the needy including the Levite' s

[Elijah's Mantle]

tithing simply means to give a tenth
tithing was not given in the law as some may suppose it was
It was given 400 years earlier with Abraham actually
Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek who was a type of CHRIST
we find that in Genesis 14 an Hebrew chapter 5

all of us are Children of Abraham according to Galatians 3:7
so that means tithing continues even under the New Covenant
we pay tithe wich is the same as paying it to Christ
to help with the work of God

[Eco]

Also, I'm wondering what is wrong about using a credit card, etc. Does it have to be cold, hard cash? Is a check ok? A barrel of coins? As long as the church receives the contribution, why does the method make a difference? Just wondering.

The method is not important
I believe, echoing what others have said, that God simply wants you to prove His importance to you. God knew that Abraham would sacrifice Issac for Him, but asked Abraham to go through with it anyway, until He stopped it at the last second.

The reason was for Abraham's sake. He had the faith, but it needed to be called out in order to grow. I think the same is true of us when God asks us to witness, or to heal in faith -- as well as to tithe. He knows we can do it, and knows if we will or not, but it is important to test the faith and call it to the forefront so that it can be expanded on and grown.

[GlennO]

I can not agree with your conclusion regarding Abraham giving a tenth of the spoil to Melchizedek being binding on the Church.

EM said:

all of us are Children of Abraham according to Galatians 3:7
so that means tithing continues even under the New Covenant
we pay tithe which is the same as paying it to Christ
to help with the work of God

NO!!

We were also children of the curse and under the law.

Gal 3:1-6
(1) O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
(2) Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
(3) Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
(4) Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?
(5) Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith--
(6) just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?

and...

Eph 2:13-18
(13) But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
(14) For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility
(15) by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
(16) and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
(17) And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near.
(18) For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.


and....

Heb 10:4
(4) For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.


and....

Eph 2:8-9
(8) For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
(9) not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[jesuschangesall]

I can not agree with your conclusion regarding Abraham giving a tenth of the spoil to Melchizedek being binding on the Church.

EM said: NO!!

We were also children of the curse and under the law.

Gal 3:1-6
(1) O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
(2) Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
(3) Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
(4) Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?
(5) Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith--
(6) just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?

and...

Eph 2:13-18
(13) But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
(14) For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility
(15) by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
(16) and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
(17) And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near.
(18) For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.


and....

Heb 10:4
(4) For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.


and....

Eph 2:8-9
(8) For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
(9) not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

ANY LAW OT CANNOT BE IMPOSED ON US.....end of story....

IT IS BY GRACE WE GIVE,JOYFULLY FOR HIS GLORY not a TITHE.. especially to GREEDY FALSE PROPHETS that ARE PLAGUING THE CHURCH....

[Elijah's Mantle]

I can not agree with your conclusion regarding Abraham giving a tenth of the spoil to Melchizedek being binding on the Church.

EM said:
all of us are Children of Abraham according to Galatians 3:7
so that means tithing continues even under the New Covenant
we pay tithe which is the same as paying it to Christ
to help with the work of God
NO!!

We were also children of the curse and under the law.

Gal 3:1-6
(1) O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
(2) Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
(3) Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
(4) Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?
(5) Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith--
(6) just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?

and...

Eph 2:13-18
(13) But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
(14) For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility
(15) by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
(16) and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
(17) And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near.
(18) For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.


and....

Heb 10:4
(4) For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.


and....

Eph 2:8-9
(8) For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
(9) not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

I am not certain of what you disagree with GlennO
the scripture makes it rather clear that Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek who was a type of CHRIST

I do find it 400 years earlier with Abraham regarding Melchizedek
because in Genesis 14:19-20 this is what it states
"And He (Melchizedek ) Blessed him (Abraham)
the he refereed to in the verse is Melchizedek and the one receiving the Blessing was Abraham
and said ..."Blessed be Abram of the most High God,possessor of heaven and earth" .
then in verse 2o it states "And Blessed be the most high God who has delivered your enemies into your hands " .
Actually GlennO you will find here in this verse that Melchizedek did not come forth when Abraham was in pursuit of Chedorlaomer , but when the king of Sodom was in pursuit of Abraham .
This makes a great moral difference .
"AND HE GAVE HIM TITHES OF ALL" ........ (This GlennO is the first time tithes are mentioned in scriptures) . It is referring to a tenth part .Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek ,who was a type of Christ which if you read Hebrew 7 :4,7 his name means "King of righteousness and king of peace"

Consequently Abraham's children which make up the Church presently

(6) just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?

Galatians 3:7 (KJV 1900)

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.


when I read Galatians 3 and it states ' that you should not obey the truth" ...that refers to Jesus Christ and him crucified
"This only would I learn of you " (Paul was saying I will convince you of your error by this one argument ) Did you receive the spirit by the works of the law ,or by the hearing of faith ?
This refers GlennO to being born again at which time the spirit of God comes into the heart and life of the new believer it is received simply by trusting Christ and what he did at the cross .

Its rather clear to me from Genesis 14:20 and reading on that Abraham did not even take a thread or even a shoelatchet and that he did not take anything because in verse 21 the king of Sodom did endeavor to use money to draw Abraham in yet it failed and the Patriarch passed the "Test " with flying colors "Abraham said .... " and that I will not take anything that is yours ,lest you should say, I have made Abraham rich . Abraham took nothing . He said save only that which the young men have eaten and the portion of the men which went with me Aner Eshcol, and Mamre "let THEM take their portion
Abraham was held to a much higher standard , than those with him . Abraham took nothing not even a shoelatchet . Abraham learned the great lesson that while we are in the world , we are Never to be of the world . And you refer to Hebrew 10 , never minding Hebrew 7 which gives us the reason Melchizedek was a type of Christ
Because in Hebrew 7:4 it states """' Now consider how great this man was" Unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoil ....
" we are told here how the standard is set as it regards the financing of the work of God on earth
And verily they who are of the sons of Levi ((( we can see here where the Apostles now show the difference between law and grace and that the former is is vastly inferior to the later
who receive the office of the priesthood ( refers to the tribe of Levi who were priests all were not priests actually only the sons of Aaron were have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law that is of their brethren ( this is where it can be found that reference is made to the fact that the people were to pay tithes to the priesthood under the old Mosaic economy )
""""though they come out of the lions of Abraham"""" yes the Jews were fond of boasting that they had Abraham as their Father meaning they were his descendants so using him as an example PAUL proves that the Aaronic system was very much inferior to that of Melchizedek or else Abraham would not of paid tithes to the man

"But He" referencing (Melchizedek)
whose decent is not counted from them ( referencing Israel )
received tithes of Abraham and Blessed him who had the promise ( this proclaims the fact that Melchizedek Blessed Abraham despite the fact that it was Abraham to whom the great promise of God had been given .The only way one could be greater than Abraham is that he would be a type of Christ
which Melchizedek was .
verse 7.... " and without all contradiction ( means what he is saying can not be contradicted )
the less ( Abraham) is BLESSED OF THE BETTER (Melchizedek a type of Christ ) ( This has Paul saying , That Christ is better than any other system and is the ONLY ONE who can properly BLESS )

verse 8 ... " And here men who die receive tithes ( refers to obviously the Levitical priesthood which in fact was still being carried on at the time Paul wrote these words )
""' But there he receives them " (refers back GlennO to the passage in Genesis where Melchizedek is recorded as having received tithes
"Of whom it is witnessed that he lives "" ( This refers to the Eternal Priesthood of CHRIST of which Melchizedek was the type)
verse 9 .... And as I may so say ,Levi also who receives rithes paid tithes in Abraham
( This GlennO would strike a telling blow to Paul's argument , regarding the superiority of the priestly order of Melchizedek. Because If Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek which he was instructed byt the lord to do and Abraham is the Father of the Jewish people meaning Levi was in his Lions then Levi also paid tithes to Melchizedek (((( THIS PLACED THE WHOLE of the Jewish system as second to that of Christ )))))
verse 10
for he( refering to Levi )
was yet in the Lions of his Father (referring to Abraham)
when Melchizedek met him
(This makes the NEW COVENANT better than the old ,which is the argument of the book of Hebrews
Going back to Genesis we can see what is said there regarding Melchizedek you can read in vrse 18 where it says King of Salem ( Jerusalem)
brought forth bread and wine ( bread and wine symbolizes the broken body and shed blood of our Lord which was necessary for the salvation of mankind as noted in Matthew 26:29 mark chapter 14 and Luke 22:15 and Romans 8:21
king David prophesied about a thoasand years after Abraham
"The Lord has sworn and will not repent " you (Christ) are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek ((Psalms 110:4 )) Abraham here was introduced to God by a different name than he had previously known " El Elyon " meaning most High God .

so I am not certain why GlennO you disagree with what I stated from scriptures
however you may very well interpret them very differently .

You just stated "No" discrediting what scriptures I did give so I have now given you what the rest stated
Therefore I dont have a contradiction with what scripture states and makes plain to me
your entitled to disagree and leave the scripture that makes it plain out however its still there
word for word and folks can read it for what it is saying . Or contradict it if they wish
Paul made the proper point so I dont know why others have a differing one.
were not the Children of wrath under the Law ,were bought with the precious Blood of Christ

If your saying that Abraham tithing a 10th to Melchizedek should it be binding on the church that I dont argue with because
Genesis 14:18-20 makes it clear After his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer, Abram was met by Melchizedek king of Salem refreshing them with bread and wine and he blessed Abram. Just as scripture states .

The blessing was given to Abram, a very important fact to remember.
In response, Abram gave ONE-TENTH (10%) of all the goods of Sodom that were stolen by Chedorlaomer to Melchizedek.

Abram did NOT tithe from his own possessions, an essential fact to refute tithing practices in the new covenant and is probably why your saying that .you disagree , which nowhere in stating what I did from scripture did I indicate tithing should be imposed on the Church
yet you say we are the children of the curse under the law which I dont understand why ,yet you give NT scriptures
yet do not accept the type of Christ (Melchizedek ) which Abraham tithed to . That is the same type of contradiction Paul Pointed out
and stated there was no contradiction that Abraham tithed . As for making it binding on the church (present day) I dont know how you suppose I present that from stating we are children of Abraham from Galatians so I dont understand how you have taken tithing and what is stated in Galatians to say were children under the curse and under the law if we are in Christ Jesus . There was no law of tithing that bound Abraham
are you speaking of the other under the mosaic ? The Lord simply instructed Abraham and he obeyed and did not take of the spoil not even a shoelatchet least that is what my Bible says .

[Elijah's Mantle]

I think I get why GlennO you state that it should not be binding on the church ,in which your correct to state that

However what I stated regarding the passage is correct

27 You shall not forsake the Levite who is within your gates, for he has no part nor inheritance with you.
28 “At the end of every third year you shall bring out the tithe of your produce of that year and store it up within your gates. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, may come and eat and be satisfied, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.
ask how do you read that ?

I read it as follows :

The meaning of the third year is the tithe's of the first and second years was to be eaten before the Lord at the sanctuary then what was not used, the balance was given to the sanctuary.

The tithe of the third year was for the poor and the needy including the Levite' s

The only reference made about tithing after the cross and to the Church under the New Covenant is
mentioned in Hebrews chapter 7.
Of course some say that Jesus commanded tithing in the Gospels but
understand that this was before Jesus went to the cross.

The New Covenant had not yet been ratified
because Jesus had not yet shed His blood.
Jews under the Law in Jesus’ day were still obligated to keep
the commandment to pay tithes until Jesus would fulfill the Law and release them from it.

This act of Abraham paying tithes to Melchizedek did not point to or was not connected to the New
Testament Church but instead was connected directly to the giving of the tithe under the Mosaic Law,
according to the author of Hebrews. We read in Hebrews 7:4-5: “Now consider how great this man was,
unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the
sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a COMMANDMENT TO TAKE TITHES
OF THE PEOPLE ACCORDING TO THE LAW, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the
loins of Abraham.”
“According to the law” establishes the connection between tithing and the Mosaic Law.
We find that tithing was a command to Abraham’s descendents of the flesh under the Law, but nowhere in scripture do we find that it was a command for the New Testament Church.


Those who came out of the
loins of Abraham were the tribe of Levi and the physical nation of Israel.
The Law of Moses was temporarily
imposed upon them until the coming of the Messiah and the New Covenant. (Galatians 3:19-25,
Colossians 2:16-17, Hebrews 10:1)

Continuing on to verse 7:
“But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of
Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises… v. 8…And here men that die receive tithes; but
there he receiveth them of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.” (KJV)
There have been many today who have used verse 8 to teach believers that we are still commanded to
tithe under the New Covenant but as we will find out, this is not true.
The words in this text, “receiveth them” in Hebrews 7:8 has been used by certain Bible teachers today to try and prove that Jesus is receiving tithes today because it is in the present tense but this phrase has
been added by the translators of the King James Version and is not found in the original Greek.

If we take
this out however
we see the meaning of these scriptures in an entirely new context.
Let’s take a look at
verse 7 in the literal Greek translation and continue on to verses 8 and 9 as well.

“And here dying men indeed receive tithes, but their (it) having been witnessed that he lives; and
as a word to say, through Abraham Levi also, the (one) receiving tithes, has been tithed. For he was
yet in his father’s loins when Melchizedek met him.”
Let’s gain understanding of what these scriptures are really saying and the overall context of what the
writer is trying to convey to the Church.

The phrase, “and here dying men indeed receive tithes” is
referring to the Levitical priesthood that was still in existence at the time that the author was writing this
letter to the Hebrews. The Jewish Temple was still standing at the time of this writing

Why Did Abraham Give A Tithe To Melchizedek?priesthood was still officiating at the altar of that Temple. Those Jews who had not yet received Christ or the
Gospel were still adherents to the religion of Judaism and therefore obligated to tithe under the Mosaic Law. Interestingly
we find that this requirement to tithe was not placed upon the New Testament Church.

Those Jews who received Christ were no longer bound to the terms and conditions
of the Mosaic Law because they had been set free from the Law by the sacrifice of Christ. (Romans 7:1-7, Galatians 3:19-25, 4:4-7, 5:1)

we also find that the Mosaic Law was not imposed upon the Gentiles either due to the fact that salvation and the inheritance blessings given to Abraham do not come by performing works of the Law
ibut are received by grace and having faith in Christ and what He has already obtained for us
through His vicarious sacrifice.
(Acts 15 )
Romans 4:13-16, Galatians 3:6-18)
The next phrase, “but there (it) having been witnessed that he lives” refers to the fact that Abraham
witnessed the existence of this eternal priesthood (the order of Melchizedek). The fact that the word
witnessed is in the past tense means that Abraham witnessed Him in his day. Abraham witnessed the
existence of the One who is “like the Son of God” and then gave a tithe to Him back then, not because he was commanded to by Law (

(Abraham was not under the Law because it had not yet been given)
but because He was showing that this Priest-King was greater than or superior to him.
We find that this was the true purpose for Abraham giving the tithe to Melchizedek
as conveyed by the writer of Hebrews “And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater.
(v. 7) By Abraham’s act of giving the tithe of the spoils of war to Melchizedek instead of the King of Sodom, he was in fact proving God to be origin or source of His blessings,not man
and that He is greater or superior also to the kings of the earth as well.
“and as a word to say, through Abraham Levi also, the (one)
receiving tithes, has been tithed. For he was yet in his father’s loins when Melchizedek met him.”
Since tithing is connected to the Mosaic Law, we find that Abraham’s act was actually prophetic in nature,pointing to the time of the Levitical Priesthood serving under the Mosaic Law.
Since Levi (or the Levitical priesthood) would be coming out of Abraham’s loins
those who would be receiving tithes (under the law)
were in effect being tithed well in advance to the coming of the Law.
The writer was going through great lengths to prove a point here.
In tithing Levi, Abraham was proving that the eternal order of Melchizedek was
and would always be superior to the Levitical Priesthood.
Under the New Covenant, Jesus is the High Priest
forever after the eternal order of Melchizedek.
The fact that Jesus is of this eternal order makes Him superior
to all others who have come before Him.
Our perfection could not be obtained through the Levitical Priesthood (also called the order of Aaron). Why? It is because the Levites were fallible men who were weak.
Weak and sinful men are not able to perfect other weak and sinful men
Jesus’ priesthood, however, was after another order, the order of Melchizedek. The first
one is based on regulations of the Mosaic Law and their human ancestry but the second on the basis of a New Covenant and an indestructible life.
God has sworn an oath and made Jesus a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
Because of this oath, Jesus is our guarantee of a better covenant. Jesus is holy,
blameless, pure and has been given a name above every name and exalted above the heavens.
Only Jesus’ permanent priesthood is able to perfect us because He is infallible or perfect. Men die but Jesus lives forever .

Because there was a change in the priesthood (from the order of Aaron to Jesus, God’s Son) of
necessity, there was also a change in the law (from the Old Covenant Mosaic Law to the New Covenant Law of Christ). Jesus had been given the power to change the law because He was appointed by God and by virtue of his once and for all sacrafice for the sins of mankind
(Hebrews 7:11-28)
The theme of the entire Book of Hebrews is to teach those Jewish believers who had come to Christ that

Jesus is superior to Judaism so they would not go back under its religion.
The writer goes above and beyond Judaism however because he goes on to prove Jesus’ superiority
over all of those who have come before him even those before the law
Jesus is greater than all the patriarchs or forefathers, prophets and priests of the Old Testament
such as Moses, Abraham and the Levitical priesthood.

Jesus is also greater than the angels because He created them.
And lastly, His sacrificial atonement was better than the fleshly ordinances of the Law and the blood of animals. (Hebrews 1:1-2, 5-14,
3:1-6, 7:1-4,7, 9:8-14)

We find that the writer settles every argument that could or would ever exalt itself
against the eternal Priesthood of Jesus.

[GlennO]

EM - Love you bro...

However there is error in your premise. The Law was a schoolmaster that drove was intended to drive God's Chosen Wife to Messiah Jesus. When they rejected Him (and He was not taken by surprise) He then turned the free Gift of Grace to outcast Gentiles. The fantastic Plan was accomplished at the CROSS! The veil of the Holy of Holies was torn from the top to bottom. The Law had served its purpose! It is of no effect. Do not let pride enter in to your thinking.

The fact of the matter is, in this dispensation of Grace (the Church age) 10% is irrelevant! Jesus bought us with the price of His Precious Blood on the cross..... all (100%) we have is His. We hope to be found as wise servants rather than the evil servant that buried the master's Talent (currency).

I pray my words sink in, and you turn from your misinterpretation (it happens to most all of us). I have nothing more I can give you.

[Elijah's Mantle]

show me what is in error GlennO
you have yet to show me where Ive gone wrong in what Ive read and understood the scripture says
which one are you speaking about GlennO ? and how is it to be interpreted ?
where did I read and state wrong ? show me

[Elijah's Mantle]

The fact of the matter is, in this dispensation of Grace (the Church age) 10% is irrelevant! Jesus bought us with the price of His Precious Blood on the cross..... all (100%) we have is His. We hope to be found as wise servants rather than the evil servant that buried the master's Talent (currency).

I pray my words sink in, and you turn from your misinterpretation (it happens to most all of us). I have nothing more I can give you.

I agreed with you on that GlennO that the 10 percent is irrelevant
did you even read what I said
Im very confused as to where Ive erred reading word by word and misinterpreted what is said in the scripture show me where
and explain it to me

[GlennO]

Deu 14:27
(27) And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

You cited verse Deu 14:27. I cannot fathom your point.

Maybe this will help winnow some light in this very arcane discussion

Deu 14:22-29

I. Tithing (14:22-29)
14:22-27 Verses 22-29 deal with the subject of tithes. Some commentators feel that this section does not refer to the first tithe (Lev_27:30-33), which belonged to God alone, was given to the Levites, and was not to be eaten by the Israelites. Rather it may refer to a secondary tithe, called the festival tithe, part of which the offerer himself ate. Generally speaking, these secondary tithes were to be brought to the place which God appointed as the center for worship. However, if the offerer lived so far from . . . the place where God placed His name that he was not able to carry his tithe there, he could exchange the produce for money, carry the money to God's sanctuary, and buy food and drink there to be enjoyed before the LORD. Notice in verse 26 that the Bible does not teach total abstinence. But it does teach moderation, self-control, non-addiction, and abstinence from anything that would cause offense to another. The difference between wine and strong drink is that wine is made from grapes, and strong drink is made from grain, fruit, or honey. For two years the offerer was required to go up with either the tithe or its monetary equivalent.

[Elijah's Mantle]

the words of scripture I read verse by verse and what I stated openly they were saying referring to sinks in yes
how in the round world its wrong is a possibility
did I get Abraham confused with Melchizedek somewhere or what ?
What the Bible states and what the verse explains I put it out as I read it
show me where its wrong because I certainly can not fix what I dont know
is wrong