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    In prayer this morning, I asked about the way people seem to question my own growth in the Lord, and how folks who have been Christians longer than I have seem to think I am special or something. There is so much superstitious mysticism going around, and this is a normal part of the human condition, people often get the wrong impressions about what Christian spirituality is, and thus many are misled. The Holy Spirit asked me to start a thread of this nature, so I am, but I am asking others of you to share your experiences of how you worked in the Word of God, and as much as you are able to share the kinds of prayers you prayed, if not the personal reasons you needed to, so that others might learn how to grow in Christ and discover for themselves a proper relationship in Him.

    First of all, I went for over 15 years, I think, without a single Christian making any effort to witness to me. These were the years I spent in Colorado, and the first five or six years I lived on the east coast. I was between the years of my late 20's and my early 40's. Sobering, isn't it... So all I had to go on were negative impressions picked up on the street from the unbelievers in my normal social circle, and a couple of truly unpleasant encounters as I blundered about trying to find a church in 1999. This left me with a very hostile image of Christianity in general and a flat refusal to depend on any one person or church to teach me about God. For these reasons, it wasn't entirely the person who led me to Christ, it was a joint effort between himself and the Holy Spirit. That much was obvious from me from the first time he (successfully) confronted me with Christianity in 2003.

    This was the basis of a very important decision I made as I considered the possibility that there might be some truth to this claim that the only way to find the truth about God is through Jesus Christ. I further reasoned that the only way to get to the bottom of the truth about Jesus Christ was through the Bible. Since people say all sorts of conflicting things about the Bible, the only thing I was willing to do was read it for myself, and find out for myself what this was all about. I did ask Jonathan a lot of questions, and he came up with a lot of good answers (he's a lot like Mattfivefour in a lot of ways). The most important thing Jonathan was though, was that he was candid. If he hadn't done something well, he admitted it. If something unexpected came through in his walk with Jesus Christ, he admitted the times of uncertainty with a quiet honesty. That won my trust.

    Jonathan is a married man, and our deep teacher/student friendship attracted a lot of attention and the associated gossip, so our contact was limited to the job site alone. He didn't want my e-mail address, and we both agreed to not exchange phone numbers. He lives and goes to church about 50 miles from where I live, so I didn't go to his church (just too far to drive after an exhausting workweek). So when my arthritis ended my time at that job, we lost contact, and it was up to me to stand without his critical support.

    I decided to keep a very conservative approach to discovering the truth about God, and over a period of several years, I explored the whole Bible a little at a time. I tried different churches around town; sometimes the preaching good, other times it didn't mean much, but it was the people in the pews who made me uncomfortable. I was always outnumbered at Sunday School, and almost never could get my questions out, and no one was willing to spend time with me, helping me to grow in the Lord, so I watched a lot of TV and read a lot of books. Since I wasn't making a lot of money, and wasn't meeting "prince charming" or any of that, prosperity preaching didn't mean much to me, but discussions about how Jesus Christ really is did. I came to depend on Scripture alone to define what doctrine should be, and on some of the men I consider very good preachers to explain how to develop a relationship with God. through it all, I maintained my commitment to look to the Bible for insights on how to cope with life storms, and I never assumed I know or should have known what I was doing. Instead I confessed freely in prayer that I didn't have the faintest idea what right was supposed to be, and I asked God for His insight. He gave of His wisdom freely, exactly as Scripture said He would.

    In the struggles I endured with spiritual warfare, I encountered the most confusion. There was tons of really bad advice, endless chatter about demons and terrifying years of trial and error. To make a long story short, I finally learned to depend on Scripture alone, as it became more and more clear that any sort of rituals, anointing oils and investigation beyond the confines of the Bible itself about the nature of demons was a waste of time at best and backfired at worst... So the longer I did these things, the more conservative I became, and I came to depend heavily on daily prayer.

    By living as best I could according to the Bible, and praying to the Lord when I couldn't make the grade, I came to recognize who was speaking the truth about Jesus Christ, and who was a fake and, most importantly, how to tell the difference. After about three or four years of this sort of homework, I could tell the difference between Joel Osteen and TD Jakes, between Bob Larson or Todd Bentley and David Wilkerson and why.

    So again I say, I am not "all that", I do not have some mystical anointing reserved for "special" people. I am quite ordinary. The specialness is in the Word Of God and in God Himself. I think every one of the men we value as leaders and teachers at this forum and anywhere else would say it takes some effort in reading the Word, in prayer and in perseverance to gain maturity in Christ, but that is all it takes. You don't have to be especially smart, you don't have to be "qualified" for some exclusive gift, and some people are NOT just naturally "all that". It simply doesn't work that way.

    I hope this helps.
    Psalm 73:28

    28 But as for me, it is good to be near God.
    I have made the Sovereign Lord my refuge;
    I will tell of all your deeds.


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    Each of us are special and unique in our own ways, but can often lose site of that. God does draw us ever deeper. If we walk with him, we will grow deeper. Each of us needs to be engaged in our relationship with Him, foremost.

    Where I am now entails a wide array of steps of growth and times God took to show me more of him in a wide variety of ways. Some in times of suffering, some in times of fruitfullness and growth. Yet, the process if the ever refining santification of grasping fuller the depth, breadth, height, width of God's love and being ever refined as he takes the twisted parts of me and refines to the whole.

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    Meg Most of my born again life
    I guess I have become my own worst critic
    when it comes to growth
    I am always wishing for more of it
    in visible super natural ways

    Jesus got my attention one day
    by showing me from the word of scripture
    PSALMS 18:35...
    Thou hast also given me the shield of they salvation
    and thy right hand upholds me and thy gentleness makes me great

    the question and the test for me was simply this
    "ARE YOU STRONG ENOUGH TO BE TENDER ?
    seems like a simple thing enough ? right ?

    well in God's eyes nothing is so strong as gentleness
    did you know that ?

    so when you pray for strength
    do you know what God will do to answer that prayer ?


    nothing is so gentle as
    REAL STRENGTH
    THE KIND JESUS SHOWED

    To me once I began to learn that God's ways
    was and is very different than my own ideals
    I began to sense some real growth

    to whom can we call on to give us true strength
    in this harsh and uncaring world ?
    JESUS
    what is the secret of true strength ?
    the gentleness Jesus lets us grow into

    be gentle with all souls
    treat them as if they are rare treasures
    that belong to Jesus

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    Wow Elijah! Thank you for sharing this:

    PSALMS 18:35...
    Thou hast also given me the shield of they salvation
    and thy right hand upholds me and thy gentleness makes me great

    the question and the test for me was simply this
    "ARE YOU STRONG ENOUGH TO BE TENDER ?
    seems like a simple thing enough ? right ?

    well in God's eyes nothing is so strong as gentleness
    did you know that ?
    Actually, no, I really didn't realize that! I grew up working with horses, and the combination of strength and gentleness was always just a part of something deep I really value, but I really didn't understand the connection with the Heart Of God until you pointed that out. But that makes perfect sense!

    Oh what a delight it is to share insights like this!
    Psalm 73:28

    28 But as for me, it is good to be near God.
    I have made the Sovereign Lord my refuge;
    I will tell of all your deeds.


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    Actually hadn't really thought of it in that way either. It would be worth breaking down a bit further what that is, what is true gentleness.
    True peace is not the absence of pain or suffering but only found in full surrender to the King of Kings

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacebringer View Post
    Actually hadn't really thought of it in that way either. It would be worth breaking down a bit further what that is, what is true gentleness.
    May I suggest that true gentleness is the inevitable result of truly loving another person to the point of giving yourself for them and always putting them before yourself. (Romans 12:10) He who loves in truth cannot be anything but gentle for it is the very nature of love. It is Christ's nature. And, thus, such love comes only from the nature of Christ having been created and maturing inside us.
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    True gentleness, thats a great question! In working with horses, the most important thing we did was to never get upset with them. My sister taught us that horses know they're stronger and faster than we are (they can get away if they want to badly enough). But they know we are smarter than they are, so its up to us to demonstrate good judgement. Now lets take a look at how that translates into our relationship with Jesus Christ. We have full freedom to blow Him off at will. Furthermore, that all too often seems like a good idea... In fact, often what He proposes seems threatening at a very foundational level... When He was confronted by a crowd of Roman soldiers led by Judas the betrayer, not only did He tell Peter to drop his sword, He healed the man Peter wounded. Not only that, He then permitted the Romans (enemies in fact as well as in appearance) to lead Him off to His evident doom! Right up until Jesus Christ rose from the dead, that just HAD to have looked like the world's worst idea!

    Relationships based on willing submission rooted in love and trust are developed through a mutual pact to not harm the other. One of the most amazing thing good horses and good Christians as well are willing to do is to face genuine danger and even actual harm and death because they trust the one (or the One) who asked, not the one who seeks to harm. This is why horses have gone into battle with swords and even guns, and be trusted to stand firm. General Robert E Lee of Civil War fame had a horse named Traveller, who was known for having bullets pass all around him and under his belly and not flinch. That horse knew exactly who he trusted and why.

    But I have drifted there; the question was what is true gentleness. I think true gentleness seeks to build up, not tear down. True gentleness recognizes that we failed for a reason, and if the reason is corrected, the failure will be permanently defeated. This is why there is no condemnation in Christ. Its NOT because He doesn't mind if we fail, but its also NOT because He feels threatened when we do. What He does do is seek out the problem in the way we perceive our individual reality, then He corrects the problem in our perception. This has the working effect of removing the CAUSE of the problem, therefore ending a repeat of the problem.
    Psalm 73:28

    28 But as for me, it is good to be near God.
    I have made the Sovereign Lord my refuge;
    I will tell of all your deeds.


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    you said it Mattfivefour
    true Gentleness is AGAPE Love which comes from the """"HOLY SPIRIT"" .... it is begotten of the heart of our precious savior and Lord JESUS THE CHRIST ....
    It is something obtained through and by following Jesus Christ and having no other before him
    for we know that is spiritual adultery

    The promise of God is to give his children a special Heart
    yet most do not seek it till they find it because they do not realize
    that even their saved souls need some things
    MOREOVER
    and in the MOREOVER .......... precept on precept it is the delight of Jesus
    that we have it

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