Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world

[Nebuchadnezzar]

If Jesus was willing to grant the Centurion's wish (Matthew 8:5-11) according to the sickness of the flesh, which Jesus says, "...profits nothing..." (John 6:63), how much more would Jesus grant the Centurion's wish to save the servants soul?

What if the Centurion came to Jesus and told Him he had two servants that were sick? What if it was ten? What if it was ten thousand? Would Jesus say, "No no my son, that's a bit too many," limiting the soldier's faith?

"......If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

What is the mountain?


Matthew 8:16 (King James Version)

16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed [all that were sick:]


Matthew 9:12 (King James Version)

12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.


John 16:33 (King James Version)

33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

--Nebuchadnezzar

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"......If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

Given Paul says this about himself to be accurate and we all know that many miracles came by way of Paul:

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20 (KJV)


I simply ask, whose faith is Jesus alluding to in that passage, mine or His? May I submit it is, His?

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[micah719]

Even the faith that I have was a gift from God. If I can boast about anything at all, it is Christ and His Love and Grace; and remember to be humble, grateful and awed.

[myinnuendo999]

"......If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

Given Paul says this about himself to be accurate and we all know that many miracles came by way of Paul:

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20 (KJV)


I simply ask, whose faith is Jesus alluding to in that passage, mine or His? May I submit it is, His?

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I honestly believe that's a poor rendering of the passage by the KJV to say faith "of" the Son of God.. More accurately it should read Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

the KJV makes it sound like Jesus who is God requires faith and that is false. God does not require faith or we are saying in essence that God relies on something outside of himself.

May I suggest that the Centurian having faith in the right Object-God- even if it is as small as a mustard seed will move mountains because it's not the amount of faith but WHO we have faith in that moves the mountains- GOD.

if you back up a tad you will see that Jesus said in Mar 11:22 "Have faith in God," Jesus answered.

simply rendered God moves mountains not our faith because it is faith in the right object not the amount of faith we have

Even faith is a gift from God as micah said

[micah719]

Hebrews 11:5-10
5 Because of faith Enoch was caught up and transferred to heaven, so that he did not have a glimpse of death; and he was not found, because God had translated him. For even before he was taken to heaven, he received testimony [still on record] that he had pleased and been satisfactory to God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please and be satisfactory to Him. For whoever would come near to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He is the rewarder of those who earnestly and diligently seek Him [out].
7 [Prompted] by faith Noah, being forewarned by God concerning events of which as yet there was no visible sign, took heed and diligently and reverently constructed and prepared an ark for the deliverance of his own family. By this [his faith which relied on God] he passed judgment and sentence on the world's unbelief and became an heir and possessor of righteousness (that relation of being right into which God puts the person who has faith).
8 [Urged on] by faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed and went forth to a place which he was destined to receive as an inheritance; and he went, although he did not know or trouble his mind about where he was to go.
9 [Prompted] by faith he dwelt as a temporary resident in the land which was designated in the promise [of God, though he was like a stranger] in a strange country, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs with him of the same promise.
10 For he was [waiting expectantly and confidently] looking forward to the city which has fixed and firm foundations, whose Architect and Builder is God.

[mattfivefour]

I honestly believe that's a poor rendering of the passage by the KJV to say faith "of" the Son of God.. More accurately it should read Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

the KJV makes it sound like Jesus who is God requires faith and that is false. God does not require faith or we are saying in essence that God relies on something outside of himself.

May I suggest that the Centurian having faith in the right Object-God- even if it is as small as a mustard seed will move mountains because it's not the amount of faith but WHO we have faith in that moves the mountains- GOD.

if you back up a tad you will see that Jesus said in Mar 11:22 "Have faith in God," Jesus answered.

simply rendered God moves mountains not our faith because it is faith in the right object not the amount of faith we have

Even faith is a gift from God as micah said

You are very close to defining the problem in saying it is a translation issue. Without getting into a lengthy discussion of Greek grammar here, in the particualr phrase in question (ἐν πίστει ζῶ τῇ τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ) the preposition en when used with the dative case which pistei is in can mean "by" or "through" or "in". It all depends on the context. The words huiu (son) and theou (God) are in the genitive case which MUST be translated "of". Therefore while the Greek can say "I live by the faith of the Son of God" it can also say "I live in the faith of the Son of God." The idea Paul was conveying here, as you can see from the other verses that have already been correctly referenced in other posts in this thread, is that the life Paul lived he lived in faith—the faith given him by God in Christ. Indeed, the noted Greek scholar and theologian Kenneth Wuest translates this verse as: ""And that life which now I live in the sphere of the flesh, by faith I live it (personally I prefer "in faith I live it"), which faith is in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf."

Hope this helps.

BTW, myinnuendo, you are of course absolutely correct— faith is not a power or a force. It is the One in whom we have faith that has the power. Therefore it may appear that the power came from the faith; but no, it is the Omnipotent One who provides the power when we by faith in Him and His Word ask Him for what we need. WOF, prosperity, name it and claim it, etc all came about because Christians fall for the occultic lie of faith as a power or a force in and of itself.

[myinnuendo999]

You are very close to defining the problem in saying it is a translation issue. Without getting into a lengthy discussion of Greek grammar here, in the particualr phrase in question (ἐν πίστει ζῶ τῇ τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ) the preposition en when used with the dative case which pistei is in can mean "by" or "through" or "in". It all depends on the context. The words huiu (son) and theou (God) are in the genitive case which MUST be translated "of". Therefore while the Greek can say "I live by the faith of the Son of God" it can also say "I live in the faith of the Son of God." The idea Paul was conveying here, as you can see from the other verses that have already been correctly referenced in other posts in this thread, is that the life Paul lived he lived in faith—the faith given him by God in Christ. Indeed, the noted Greek scholar and theologian Kenneth Wuest translates this verse as: ""And that life which now I live in the sphere of the flesh, by faith I live it (personally I prefer "in faith I live it"), which faith is in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf."

Hope this helps.

BTW, myinnuendo, you are of course absolutely correct— faith is not a power or a force. It is the One in whom we have faith that has the power. Therefore it may appear that the power came from the faith; but no, it is the Omnipotent One who provides the power when we by faith in Him and His Word ask Him for what we need. WOF, prosperity, name it and claim it, etc all came about because Christians fall for the occultic lie of faith as a power or a force in and of itself.

Thank you dear brother mattfivefour because I really want to honor God and his precious Word and you are exactly right with the "prosperity" preachers who have abused God's word as "if" God needed faith such as in Hebrews 11:1-3.

That was my concern in that people would be misled and misunderstand God's word and what Jesus was really saying.

[jesuschangesall]

Even the faith that I have was a gift from God. If I can boast about anything at all, it is Christ and His Love and Grace; and remember to be humble, grateful and awed.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE MICAH!!!!!! PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!
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