ELEPHANT ROOM 2′S T.D. JAKES PRAISING PAUL AND JAN CROUCH ON TBN 7-10-12

[billiefan2000]

ELEPHANT ROOM 2′S T.D. JAKES PRAISING PAUL AND JAN CROUCH ON TBN 7-10-12
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Jul 11, 2012 in AM Mailbag, Current Issues, Features, T.D. Jakes, Word Faith



Since we came online at the end of August 2005 as a pioneer in the field of Internet apologetics and discernment work Apprising Ministries has, sadly, been documenting The Falling Away Of The Evangelical Church.

Even months before the ill-fated ecumenical Elephant Room 2, both myself and Chris Rosebrough of Pirate Christian Radio told you that James MacDonald and Mark Driscoll would use it to mainstream T.D. Jakes.

Jakes was allowed to affirm both trinitarianism and modalism simultaneously while at ER2. I also explained that a couple of weeks later James MacDonald appeared on the February 6, 2012 edition of Chris Fabry Live.

There MacDonald clearly implied that Jakes is moving away from the Word Faith prosperity gospel as well, which you can hear for yourself below:

00:0000:0000:00As I also told you in Elephant Room 2′s T.D. Jakes, Pastrix Paula White & His Upcoming Woman Thou Art Loosed MacDonald did say that if Jakes wants to be accepted as evangelical, as opposed to WF, then:

his ministry will have to bear that out.

Here’s where we jump the track because the evidence has actually been quite the opposite since ER2.


Now yet another example to follow. This exclusive video clip is from last night’s Praise The Lord program on the TBN.




Below you’ll see T.D. Jakes himself paying the obligatory homage to heretics Paul and Jan Crouch right along with minor league WF wannabe “Pastor” Wayne R. Crozier of something called Abundant Life Ministries:

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And now we’re reminded of something God has asked rhetorically, with the implied answer, of course not:

“Do two walk together, unless they have agreed to meet?” (Amos 3:3 )



ELEPHANT ROOM 2′S T.D. JAKES PRAISING PAUL AND JAN CROUCH ON TBN 7-10-12 : Apprising Ministries

[Meg]

*deep, sorrowful sigh*... "The deceitfulness of wealth"... (Mark 4:19). Jakes has a history of one of the strongest Pastors of this age, he has done enormous good for innumerable people, one of whom is me. But the money got the better of him.

As to Ken Silva, his baby talk criticism isn't doing an ounce of good to improve these matters. And what is this "Pirate Christian Radio" business? I am not asking for explanations or excuses, pirates are people who steal, kill and destroy, so if Silva and Rosebrough think they are so much better, they need to hold themselves to the same scrutiny as they inflict on everyone else...

[billiefan2000]

*deep, sorrowful sigh*... "The deceitfulness of wealth"... (Mark 4:19).

Jakes has a history of one of the strongest Pastors of this age, he has done enormous good for innumerable people, one of whom is me. But the money got the better of him.



As to Ken Silva, his baby talk criticism isn't doing an ounce of good to improve these matters. And what is this "Pirate Christian Radio" business?

I am not asking for explanations or excuses, pirates are people who steal, kill and destroy, so if Silva and Rosebrough think they are so much better, they need to hold themselves to the same scrutiny as they inflict on everyone else...

maybe you should listen to Fighting for the Faith to learn about Chris 's radio show


as for Jakes:


Jakes has promoted Modalism (denial of the trinity)

the prosperity gospel

he also shills for TBN during their Beg-a-thon's.


and he also promotes people like Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn and Paula White


if Jakes is one of the strongest Pastors of this age, than the church is even in more trouble then many us thought.


btw: just cause your popular and well like pastor dont mean you a sound pastor. There are many seeker pastors who are famous, but all they do is itch people's ears (2 Timothy 4:3-4)



Silva and Roseborough and myself and others are being bereans and using discernment.

[Meg]

I listened to Jakes show every week from 2003-2008. My statements about him stem from the sort of things I heard him say as he preached to his congregation during those years. Such things as the time he rebuked the partying young men with the words "You're NOT cool, you're NOT sexy, you're FILTHY!!!" Or the time he spoke of his church elders fighting when he wasn't in the room then putting on a show when he entered the room, telling them they were serving him when they should have been serving the Lord and expressing serious concern. Then there is the statement in his book Can You Stand To Be Blessed "God is not hiding in the bushes giggling while you search for Him". Those words strengthened my faith at a very fragile time when I was first trying to come out of sin. These statements are just small bits of a long series of sermons Jakes has preached in his best years before something very strange began to take root in his life. He should have seen through Paula White, by all rights he should have, her and others as well.

This much I do know; he said something, I forget the exact words, about people taking shots at him from a distance. If Silva is running a genuine ministry, serving the Lord our God, why doesn't he approach the men and women he's so worried about and help them serve the Lord in ways that honor Him and make us all look good? Why the immature childish language? Are Christians so base that we are unable to comprehend a well reasoned Scriptural discussion of what is building up the Church and what is destroying her? I know that I don't care to be talked down to. If someone has something to say, they are welcome to state their case in adult language (and by that I don't mean the pornographic kind of "adult", but rather the old fashioned kind that uses college level words that express ideas accurately). I am mature enough to discuss important issues calmly, after all, that is part of our responsibility as we represent Jesus Christ in public as well as in private. But then I am not here to entertain, I am here to testify to the Living God...

For these reasons, I am praying for Mr Jakes, praying very deeply. He has done at least as much right as he has wrong. I honestly believe his ministry is genuine, and if I am correct, I am counting on the God we all serve to convict Jakes heart and use him to lead many more people to the Throne of Christ in these Final Hours. If, however, Jakes is insincere, he will stand before the Lord our God and answer for his deeds, as will we all. If we really believe, honestly know this is true, it will show in how we conduct our business affairs in the here and now.

[OnceWasLost]

I am glad The Lord did what He did in your life, Meg. Sometimes he uses the message of flawed men because He was going to reach you, despite the vessel. In Jake's case he, like all of us, is flawed and imperfect. In his case he is also theologically flawed and should be avoided. There is ample information available and his own words demonstrate his error. Simply put his doctrinal and theological trouble make him a person to at least be highly weary of, whether or not he may be personally likeable or charismatic.

As for Silva, he can be over the top, no doubt, and I usually skip the first paragraph or so of the articles to get to the meat of the problem. Sometimes I agree and other times I disagree, but as with anything being a Berean is always the best position.

Not a defense of Silva or Apprising (or any other critic) but the problems with Jakes are myriad.

[Meg]

I am glad The Lord did what He did in your life, Meg. Sometimes he uses the message of flawed men because He was going to reach you, despite the vessel. In Jake's case he, like all of us, is flawed and imperfect. In his case he is also theologically flawed and should be avoided. There is ample information available and his own words demonstrate his error. Simply put his doctrinal and theological trouble make him a person to at least be highly weary of, whether or not he may be personally likeable or charismatic.

As for Silva, he can be over the top, no doubt, and I usually skip the first paragraph or so of the articles to get to the meat of the problem. Sometimes I agree and other times I disagree, but as with anything being a Berean is always the best position.

Not a defense of Silva or Apprising (or any other critic) but the problems with Jakes are myriad.

OK. Theology isn't my area of study, I just take the Bible at face value and stand on it. When I first came to RF, I consulted with Adrian, and he said I am on the right track theologically, as far as I know I'm OK there. I also don't watch TV any more, nor do I go seeking Jakes' sermons online. All I can say is he taught me a lot about how to seek the Lord back in those years. He preached some outstanding sermons about serving God, and I used to love listening to him.

I am not Called, as far as I know, to be a Pastor or Pastor's wife, so this university theology field of study confuses me terribly. I just try to live how the Bible says to live, I read the Word and pray daily, and the man I married does the same. I am a simple person doing my level best to serve an awesome God, and I give deep thanks for the men whose ministries helped me during those first 5 years between 2003 and 2008 when the TV, the Bible and prayers were all I had.

For the record, even to a beginner, which I was in those years, Benny Hinn, Paula White, Bob Larson and a few others just didn't reflect what I was studying in the Bible. There is a difference...

I guess all I really care about is well reasoned statements that point out errors with respect and Scripture, because the kind of name calling I have seen in these kind of threads cheapens everything we stand for, and nobody benefits from that. I just want to live in the Holy Truth Jesus Christ is trying to get through to us all, because thats what healed me. Jesus Christ told me the truth, and that is how He went about setting me free from everything that was killing me from within.

[OnceWasLost]

OK. Theology isn't my area of study, I just take the Bible at face value and stand on it. When I first came to RF, I consulted with Adrian, and he said I am on the right track theologically, as far as I know I'm OK there. I also don't watch TV any more, nor do I go seeking Jakes' sermons online. All I can say is he taught me a lot about how to seek the Lord back in those years. He preached some outstanding sermons about serving God, and I used to love listening to him.

I am not Called, as far as I know, to be a Pastor or Pastor's wife, so this university theology field of study confuses me terribly. I just try to live how the Bible says to live, I read the Word and pray daily, and the man I married does the same. I am a simple person doing my level best to serve an awesome God, and I give deep thanks for the men whose ministries helped me during those first 5 years between 2003 and 2008 when the TV, the Bible and prayers were all I had.

For the record, even to a beginner, which I was in those years, Benny Hinn, Paula White, Bob Larson and a few others just didn't reflect what I was studying in the Bible. There is a difference...

I guess all I really care about is well reasoned statements that point out errors with respect and Scripture, because the kind of name calling I have seen in these kind of threads cheapens everything we stand for, and nobody benefits from that. I just want to live in the Holy Truth Jesus Christ is trying to get through to us all, because thats what healed me. Jesus Christ told me the truth, and that is how He went about setting me free from everything that was killing me from within.

Agreed on all of the above Meg, and as I said The Lord be praised that God used his messages without you getting tripped up in the messy theological problems. It is so like the devil to mix 5% error in with 95% and again you were spared from such trouble.