Secular Music in the Church Endangers Sacredness? (Tommy Sparger & Craig Groeschel 's and churches

[myinnuendo999]

This is so ungodly. Jesus is not there at all.

and why don't they just go ahead all the way and admit they are not really a Church? This is a burlesque> Gee before I was saved if I saw something like this happening in a "Church" I'd know it was fake. If I wanted to go to some concert or bar or be entertained then I'd go all the way not in a Church. Thank the Lord they didn't do this mess when I was growing up.

Before I was saved and I had gotten married and all I said one thing and that was I was NOT going to Church anymore and fake it. When the Lord saved me I went back to Church because I wanted to for the first time because all my desires were different and wanted to please the Lord.

Anyways this is just mindless debauchery to me. What will be next?

I wonder how much Lot went through before the Lord rescued him and I wonder what more we will go through before the Lord rescues us?

And what will the next act have to be? It will have to top the previous. This is horrid

[micah719]

[readyforhome]

I REALLY don't undestand the practice or reason for playing secular music in a church. These are supposed to be houses of worhipping the Lord. But then again I was a little suprised to see, though not alarmingly so to see the pastor in the church I grew up in dressed casually. I was down home visiting my dad in the hospital and managed to catch Sunday morning service. Now, I know the fact that there were people praying and worshipping was far more important than the way we dress when there. It was a great service and I could definitely feel the Holy Spirit there. I guess it might be my own hang ups as I was used to seeing my old pastor, Brother Dyess dressed in a suit come every Sunday. At least the music was all about worship and nothing secular, for which I am grateful. It was nice to see the pastor using power point as part of the service. Definitely nothing wrong with using technology to help spread the good word.

[micah719]

I REALLY don't undestand the practice or reason for playing secular music in a church

Oh, various reasons.

Music is given to us by God to glorify God. Wrenched out of its original purpose it is a powerful drug. Defiled and corrupted away from Godly principles, it is a chimeric monster. Once orderly and logical and wholesome, music has been stood on its head. Instead of melody first, with harmony subordinate and rhythm following, nowadays rhythm rules, harmony is disturbed and melody enslaved.

Consider "trance", with its repetitive idiotically simple melody; it isn't called trance for nothing. Consider the military use of the bagpipe, with its discordant and enraging scale and energising beat. Edward Longshanks banned it in the Scotland he sought to subdue, rightly recognising that enemy troops under its spell were far more ferocious and determined with that terrible sound uniting and driving them. The military marches invented by the Prussian System upon which all modern state militaries are based transformed armed mobs into clockwork killing machines, the same method is still used in all basic training, crushing individual thought and turning a man into an instantly obedient automaton. Useful when fearful sights assault the mind nd paralyse the body, or when orders dictate actions that normally would and should be reprehensible. The tankies of Desert Storm rolled into battle listening to heavy metal, drunk on its satanic chants and the rare opportunity to enact the wanton bloodlust it carries.

What with all the false converts nowadays, something has to provide a buzz to make up for the lack of Godliness in the unregenerate heart. Doctrine and expository preaching and exhortation have been so twisted and denatured that something has to fill the void. We are commanded to pray and sing with our understanding as well as the heart, but the use of debased music bypasses reason and soundness and goes for the flesh. Some say as long as the text is ok the rest doesn't matter. Wrong, it is all important, and even the texts are defective nowadays. Simplified to the point of imbecility, vainly repetitive and hypnotic; precisely the things we are warned against.

Music is a powerful weapon for inserting ideologies and doctrines deep into the soul. Change the music and you change the culture. Instead of glorifying God and edifying the worshiper, the modern plague glorifies man and revels in sin; of the flesh, of the eyes and of the pride of life. It is a vital pillar, spear and shield of the end days apostacy and the antichrist global religion we see forming.

Be ye separate, touch not the unclean thing, reject will-worship, be sober and vigilant, avoid even the appearance of evil, love not the things of the world!

[WordDivine]

I don't even think Sodom and Gomorrah blasphemed against GOD playing evil music to pretend to worship GOD Almighty

[billiefan2000]

This is so ungodly. Jesus is not there at all.

and why don't they just go ahead all the way and admit they are not really a Church? This is a burlesque> Gee before I was saved if I saw something like this happening in a "Church" I'd know it was fake. If I wanted to go to some concert or bar or be entertained then I'd go all the way not in a Church. Thank the Lord they didn't do this mess when I was growing up.

Before I was saved and I had gotten married and all I said one thing and that was I was NOT going to Church anymore and fake it. When the Lord saved me I went back to Church because I wanted to for the first time because all my desires were different and wanted to please the Lord.

Anyways this is just mindless debauchery to me. What will be next?

I wonder how much Lot went through before the Lord rescued him and I wonder what more we will go through before the Lord rescues us?

And what will the next act have to be? It will have to top the previous. This is horrid

I agree and I know what u mean


the seeker churches (like the ones who's videos I showed on page 1 of this post) do this stuff for shock value

[billiefan2000]

btw:


If The World Loves Your Church, Its Sure Christ Doesn't
“That very church which the world likes best is sure to be that which God abhors.”


~C.H. Spurgeon




John 15:19 "If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.



James 4:4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.


Surph's Side: If The World Loves Your Church, Its Sure Christ Doesn't

[myinnuendo999]

billiefan---Love that quote from Spurgeon it's pithy

[billiefan2000]

this is semi- related and best describes seeker churches and their "worship" time:


toxic and dangerous






(sarcasm noted) gee, I didnt know toxic was a christian worship song


this was craig groeschel 's church btw where this was done at last week aka 2-16-2012






btw, they would have done Britney's song circus but a seeker church in florida already did that song a few months back

http://www.alittleleaven.com/2011/10...literally.html

[followerofjesus]

Secular music has no place in church, period. .

[billiefan2000]

Secular music has no place in church, period. .

I agree follower



and Mark Beeson and Tommy Sprager and Craig Groeschel and Dino Rizzo


and also Church by the Glades in Florida 's leaders

and other seeker "pastors" should stop with peddling secular music in their so called seeker drvien "churches"

[billiefan2000]

the latest "worship" video from the seeker driven church of Craig Groeschel


btw, the reason I keep mentioning these videos, is to show what the seeker driven churches are doing as "worship music" and why the seeker driven movement has done nothing but dumbed down the churches

[mikhen7]

JMHO but I don't think secular music has any place in church. Call me old fashioned or whatever, but AC/DC, Metallica, etc. have no place in the church.

If I came to preach Christ at one of these gatherings I would get tarred n Feathered. Why? Because all I would need to do is read certain passages of the scripture in its context.

Praise God

[followerofjesus]

That place looks like a nightclub with the lights and everyone just wandering around...it doesn't even resemble a church.

[nillapoet]

I love worship with lots of guitar and heavy drums, but this isn't worship.

Better is One Day - Kutless - YouTube

This is my idea of good worship music.

[billiefan2000]

That place looks like a nightclub with the lights and everyone just wandering around...it doesn't even resemble a church.

u are so right and many have said that about Craig Groeschel and Tommy Sparger 's churches

as well as the infamous Church by the Glades in Florida


they look more like secular nightclubs than a church

[billiefan2000]

latest from willow creek pastor Craig Groeschel in Oklahoma



Well at least the song does say the word PRAYER in it!

[billiefan2000]

Easter Sunday 2012 Music Intro @ LifeChurch.tv Tulsa


Worshiping to Secular Songs such as:


Fun's "We are Young?"

The Black Eyed Peas' - "I got a feeling"

L.M.F.A.O.'s "Party Rock Anthem" &

Rihana's "We Found Love"

[billiefan2000]

this is latest from Craig Groeschel's seeker driven "Life" "Church" in Oklahoma

[Hannah]

Well all I can say is AC/DC summarised it well in their lyrics....."I'm on the highway to Hell"