John Piper pushing Chrislam (which he and Rick Warren will later deny and complain

[billiefan2000]

https://twitter.com/JohnPiper/status...53341177282560


John Piper

Muslims, Jews, Christians! Allah and Adonai are only known and loved through the crucified and risen Christ. Jn 8:19; 5:42-43
19 Jan via HootSuite

https://twitter.com/JohnPiper/status...53341177282560

[billiefan2000]

PIPER TWEETS WHAT? WHAT IS JOHN PIPER TALKING ABOUT? ALLAH IS SATAN AND ALLAH IS NOT KNOWN AND LOVED THROUGH THE CRUCIFIED AND RISEN CHRIST



Posted: 01/19/12


What is John Piper talking about? Allah is Satan and none of these verses have anything to do with what he is saying. Allah is not known and loved through the crucified and risen Christ. Allah, (Satan) was defeated through the crucified and risen Jesus Christ.

Piper Tweeted on January 20, 2012:

Muslims, Jews, Christians! Allah and Adonai are only known and loved through the crucified and risen Christ. Jn 8:19; 5:42-43


https://twitter.com/JohnPiper/status...53341177282560

Distributed by Worldview Weekend with Brannon Howse



Piper Tweets What? What is John Piper talking about? Allah is Satan and Allah is not known and loved through the crucified and risen Christ

[nillapoet]

Allah (English pronunciation: /ˈælə/ or /ˈɑːlə/; Arabic: الله‎ Allāh, IPA: [ʔɑlˈlɑː] ( listen), [ʔalˤˈlˤɑː]) is a word for God used in the context of Islam and other monotheistic religions of Arabic-speaking communities.

I'm confused. I've never heard Allah meaning Satan. Am I just out of the loop? And that doesn't sound like he's pushing Chrislam. I think it's saying that no matter what religion you think is right, the only right way is through Jesus.

But I'm probably missing something?

[paul&katie]

allah is not the God of the bible and cannot be, they have different attributes. allah as no son, allah is not a trinity. The god of islam is NOT Jesus.


ALLAH, the Moon God

Allah as a Deceiver: Examining Satan’s Accusations Against the Integrity of Allah

In several articles (1, 2, 3, 4) we have made mention that the Quran teaches outright that Allah is capable of lying and deceiving people. In fact, one of the titles which the Quran ascribes to Allah is khayru al-makireen, that Allah is "the best deceiver/schemer/conniver" (cf. S. 3:54; 8:30).

We want to continue our discussion regarding Allah being a deceiver by examining what the Quran says supposedly took place in paradise between Allah and Satan (called Iblis in the Quran) at the time of Adam’s creation. The Quran claims that Allah commanded all the angels to worship Adam, which Satan did not do, prompting Allah to ask him the reason why:

(Allah) said: "O Iblis (Satan)! What is your reason for not being among the prostrators?" [Iblis (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud." (Allah) said: "Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Rajim (an outcast or a cursed one)." [Tafsir At-Tabari] "And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)." [Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day they (the dead) will be resurrected." Allah said: "Then, verily, you are of those reprieved, Till the Day of the time appointed." [Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because YOU MISLED ME, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all. Except Your chosen, (guided) slaves among them." (Allah) said: "This is the Way which will lead straight to Me. Certainly, you shall have no authority over My slaves, except those who follow you of the Ghawin (Mushrikun and those who go astray, criminals, polytheists, and evil-doers, etc.). And surely, Hell is the promised place for them all. It (Hell) has seven gates, for each of those gates is a (special) class (of sinners) assigned." S. 15:32-44

What makes this exchange rather shocking is that Satan accuses Allah of deceiving or misleading him! Here is what the text in question exactly says:

[Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me (aghwaytanee), I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead (walaoghwiyannahum) them all. S. 15:39

CONTENDER MINISTRIES MAIL BAG

Islam index of Articles and Apologetics Information

[nillapoet]

Thank you for clearing that up. I seriously had no idea. I wonder how much of the population doesn't know this.

[nillapoet]

That Contender Ministries is a really good resource. Thanks for the post.

[paul&katie]

You are right most people don’t know what is really in the koran and the truth about “allah.” One of his 99 names in the koran is “the god of this world.”

I love Contender Ministries, I wish they could write more; they handle things in a loving and kind way.

[billiefan2000]

Usama Dakadok and Dr. Jimmy DeYoung


join Brannon Howse to discuss this appalling tweet by John Piper: “Muslims, Jews, Christians! Allah and Adonai are only known and loved through the crucified and risen Christ. Jn 8:19; 5:42-43”



Topic: Usama was born and raised in Egypt and he is an expert on Islam and the Koran. Usama explains the unbiblical message Piper’s tweet sends to Christians and to Muslims.

Topic: US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff visits Israel to increase relations and focus on Iranian concerns.



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Worldview Radio: Worldview Weekend Radio with Brannon Howse - January 23rd, 2012

[Meg]

It would seem that the Piper quote is misunderstood. I went to the source, and Piper's own words vindicate him completely.

Jesus, Islam, Pharisees, and the New Perspective on Paul

Jesus, Islam, Pharisees, and the New Perspective on Paul - Desiring God

But that is who the Christian is talking about. John 1:18 says, “No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.” Jesus makes known the invisible God for us to see. In John 14:8, Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” To this Jesus responded, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’” And Paul said in 2 Corinthians 4:6, “God, who said, ‘Let light shine out of darkness,’ has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”

In other words, Jesus is the yearbook picture that settles the issue of who is worshiping the true God and who is not. If a worshiper of God does not see in Jesus Christ the person of his God, he does not worship God. This is the resounding testimony of Jesus and the apostles as we see in the following texts.

Mark 9:37, “Whoever receives me, receives not me but him who sent me.” (See also Matthew 10: 40; Luke 9:48; John 13:20.)
John 5:23, “Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.”
1 John 2:23, “No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also.”
Luke 12:9, “The one who denies me before men will be denied before the angels of God.”
John 15:23, “Whoever hates me hates my Father also.”
2 John 1:9, “Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.”

The upshot of this is that we should always reach for the yearbook of the New Testament Gospels to see the picture of Jesus. He will make clear whether Muslims and Christians are worshiping the same God, and whether Pharisees and followers of Jesus are worshiping the same God.

Fixing my eyes on Jesus with you,

Pastor John

[BobFin]

https://twitter.com/JohnPiper/status...53341177282560


John Piper

Muslims, Jews, Christians! Allah and Adonai are only known and loved through the crucified and risen Christ. Jn 8:19; 5:42-43
19 Jan via HootSuite

https://twitter.com/JohnPiper/status...53341177282560

I think we need to be very careful with accusations. I can read this tweet two ways. One as intended in this original post - to intentionally shoot down a man. The other: Is John Piper trying to reach out to Muslims and Jews and show them the true way to God is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If Allah is the name Muslims use for God, then it seems to me that one would use that name to draw them to Jesus. I don't necessarily think John Piper is saying that Allah is the true God of the Bible. At least I can't say he is with out asking him first - to clarify what he is saying.

I'm not posting this in support for and accusations against John Piper. I just think we need to be careful with our words and accusations.

[paul&katie]

I think we need to be very careful with accusations. I can read this tweet two ways. One as intended in this original post - to intentionally shoot down a man. The other: Is John Piper trying to reach out to Muslims and Jews and show them the true way to God is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If Allah is the name Muslims use for God, then it seems to me that one would use that name to draw them to Jesus. I don't necessarily think John Piper is saying that Allah is the true God of the Bible. At least I can't say he is with out asking him first - to clarify what he is saying.

I'm not posting this in support for and accusations against John Piper. I just think we need to be careful with our words and accusations.

The Name of God in the Bible and the Quran [Part 3: Allah the Oak?]

So my pagan friends call their god “odin” should I then say that YHWY should be called odin for them to lead them to the true God YHWY and his son Jesus Christ?

That logic is absurd! And blasphemous! The word “allah” manes “the god” meaning the god of islam not YHWY or Jesus!

Christians call YHWY “allah” out of ignorance and out of fear of being killed by the muslims.

“allah” does not and never will mean “YHWY.”

If piper really wanted to reach out to muslims he would preach the Law and grace to them and denounce the false god they worship who’s one of his 99 names is “the god of this world!”

[BobFin]

The Name of God in the Bible and the Quran [Part 3: Allah the Oak?]

So my pagan friends call their god “odin” should I then say that YHWY should be called odin for them to lead them to the true God YHWY and his son Jesus Christ?

That logic is absurd! And blasphemous! The word “allah” manes “the god” meaning the god of islam not YHWY or Jesus!

Christians call YHWY “allah” out of ignorance and out of fear of being killed by the muslims.

“allah” does not and never will mean “YHWY.”

If piper really wanted to reach out to muslims he would preach the Law and grace to them and denounce the false god they worship who’s one of his 99 names is “the god of this world!”

That is not what I am saying at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The original post DID NOT refer to God as YHWY either, so if anyone on this forum would use the word God instead of YHWY would they be wrong? I am in absolute agreement that allah will never mean God - notice the big "G". My whole point of my post is that we need to find out the facts prior to slamming someone! As I feel you have done to me. Here, I offer you my other cheek! From the original post, I believe John Piper COULD HAVE BEEN saying the only way to God is through Jesus. I don't know his original intent so I refuse to slam him.

[Robert]

The Name of God in the Bible and the Quran [Part 3: Allah the Oak?]

So my pagan friends call their god “odin” should I then say that YHWY should be called odin for them to lead them to the true God YHWY and his son Jesus Christ?

That logic is absurd! And blasphemous! The word “allah” manes “the god” meaning the god of islam not YHWY or Jesus!

Christians call YHWY “allah” out of ignorance and out of fear of being killed by the muslims.

“allah” does not and never will mean “YHWY.”

If piper really wanted to reach out to muslims he would preach the Law and grace to them and denounce the false god they worship who’s one of his 99 names is “the god of this world!”

I agree with Meg and BobFin; we need to get our facts straight before we start pointing fingers of accusation. Piper's own words denote his position, and that he does not believe Allah to be the Lord.

BTW: what is absurd is thinking we can simply start shouting at Muslims that they are wrong; Christians try that with atheists constantly, without explaining why its' wrong.

And repeatedly, the atheists shut them completely out; so what makes us think that's going to work on Muslims?

If we're not willing to talk to them about Christ instead of at them, we've lost the battle.

[Meg]

How much is the hysteria of random gossip really costing the Church?

Who really thinks we are all a bunch of blind idiots who are so Biblically illiterate as to need some high and mighty expert to come rescue us from our own perceived foolishness? If you need to know who is a good teacher, who is not and why, start reading your Bible then apply what it says to do to how you actually live. Do that and you will indeed know what is true, what is false and why, and then instead of running about spreading rumors, you might spend your time and energy reaching the lost, serving the Lord and making a real difference in this sin-blasted world, while THERE IS STILL TIME!!!!

[OnceWasLost]

Good work Meg, sadly you are the exception. The truth is Piper has done plenty of late that is headed down the wrong road (Lectio Divina, his cozy acceptance of all things saddlesore, etc.) so the idea he could hold this type of weird belief is all too believable.

The article you referenced was from 2006, and the tweet is current, which shows the danger of quips (tweets) that are impossible to understand and most will not do their diligence to understand the intent of the tweet.

The devil loves this type of confusion will use it to those ends.

[arapahoepark]

Good work Meg, sadly you are the exception. The truth is Piper has done plenty of late that is headed down the wrong road (Lectio Divina, his cozy acceptance of all things saddlesore, etc.) so the idea he could hold this type of weird belief is all too believable.

The article you referenced was from 2006, and the tweet is current, which shows the danger of quips (tweets) that are impossible to understand and most will not do their diligence to understand the intent of the tweet.

The devil loves this type of confusion will use it to those ends.

Well I just saw John Piper do a video saying that Roman Catholic Contemplative Prayer/mystic prayer is stupid.

[OnceWasLost]

Well I just saw John Piper do a video saying that Roman Catholic Contemplative Prayer/mystic prayer is stupid.

Schizophrenia?

Here he does exactly the opposite of what he called stupid. It isn't "prayer" but it is certainly contemplative.

[arapahoepark]

Schizophrenia?

Here he does exactly the opposite of what he called stupid. It isn't "prayer" but it is certainly contemplative.

hmmm.....

[Meg]

I remain unconvinced that Piper is such a bad actor. There wasn't enough in that clip to make sense of the whole event. Frankly, I am tired of all the gossip, and I have noticed that those who have so much energy to bash other ministries have little time for anything positive or beneficial to offer those in need. With that, I am withdrawing from this thread. I like John Piper. I wish I knew the man in person. His blog is absolutely lovely, his insights are deep and profound, his poetry is just amazing... I remain convinced he is doing his level best to serve the Lord.

[OnceWasLost]

I remain unconvinced that Piper is such a bad actor. There wasn't enough in that clip to make sense of the whole event. Frankly, I am tired of all the gossip, and I have noticed that those who have so much energy to bash other ministries have little time for anything positive or beneficial to offer those in need. With that, I am withdrawing from this thread. I like John Piper. I wish I knew the man in person. His blog is absolutely lovely, his insights are deep and profound, his poetry is just amazing... I remain convinced he is doing his level best to serve the Lord.

I won't assume you include me in those who have concerns that do nothing beneficial aside from sound the alarm. That clip with he and the others participants on the stage (Beth Moore, Francis Chan, etc.) was classical contemplative, be still, meditative reading (Lectio) which oddly enough is a favorite practice of catholics.

Not gonna attempt to convince anyone, the info is out there for all to see.