Beth Moore Complains About Public Accountability For Public Statements

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Beth Moore Complains About Public Accountability For Public Statements


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Beth Moore @BethMoore LPMClose ...I had no idea that if you felt God had spoken something specific to you, you'd be labeled a mystic. I'm more afraid to tell things now.
5:33 AM - 11 Jan 12 via Twitter for iPhone · Details"


If you felt God has spoken something specific to you"? Felt it? What does that feel like, exactly? So its just a feeling, not something you'd claim as fact, as a non-negotiable, not something you'd die on the hill for, eh?




Consider that's part of the problem Beth. What you thought was God speaking a revelation or showing you a vision, wasn't HIM. God never goes against His true and faithful Word.


This is true regarding women teaching men, regarding psycho-heresy, or about using pagan practices for "worship" of God, or about including Roman Catholics/RCC within HIS family (they have a false gospel and are full of idolatry, by very definition).

A prophet in the OT did not waver when God spoke something to him to proclaim to Israel. So your lack of confidence that that was truly God perhaps is actually revealing itself...which would be a good thing, indeed. Time to repent.



You SHOULD fear what you say...you are unqualified as a teacher (you twisted Hebrews 13:25 horribly) nor are you hearing from HIM, yet you speak these things and plaster HIS holy name onto them.When you make public statements so boldly and in-your-face, do not cry "martyr!" when you are caught being unfaithful to Scripture. You aren't a martyr. You are committing mutiny.By your public teaching, you automatically are to be tested publicly.


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BETH MOORE THE MYSTIC


By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Jan 11, 2012 in AM Missives, Beth Moore, Current Issues, Features, Southern Baptist Convention

The non-denominational outreach Apprising Ministries was blessed to have been a leader among the soldiers against error who have pioneered the mission field of online apologetics and discernment ministry.

It’s been a great run and I remain thankful to have had this time thus far despite the often harsh criticism. Sadly, the current new downgrade of the Christian community has now caused works like this to also take much friendly fire.

As spiritual darkness spreads, the false philosophy postmodernism has made this a rather gelatinous generation scared of its own spiritual shadows and terrified to make theological stands of virtually any kind. I have said before that, if an Arius were to arise today, I’m guessing it wouldn’t be very long before he’d be offered a publishing deal with an evangelical publishing house…say…like Zondervan.

Even the Protestant Reformation is up for grabs now in spiritually spineless evanjellyfish. For example, we have the SBC’S Beth Moore Merely Pretending To Be Protestant, which we’ll return to in a moment. First however, the record is clear that the popular Southern Baptist Bible teacher Beth Moore does not hold to cessationism, which she says is “an extreme teaching in the Body of Christ.”

See for yourself:


This clip, and the last two following later, come from her 2002 series Believing God (BG); which as you can see below is still promoted today by Lifeway—the publishing arm of the Southern Baptist Convention:


(Online source)

Being that this LifeWay-sponsored BG Online Bible Study is from 10 years ago, we are safe to assume that the SBC does not feel what you’re about to hear from Beth Moore is out of line with the largest Protestant denomination in the United States. It’s against this backdrop here I’ll remind you again that just a bit ago Beth Moore And John Piper Lead Lectio Dovona-Lite At Passion 2012.

As I pointed out in Beth Moore Seeking Direct Revelation From God At Passion 2012 Moore tells us herself she was apparently doing so along with the other speakers:

I didn’t take many pictures during the sessions because I didn’t want to be distracted and miss God. I wanted to worship and to receive a word myself! I know you get that.
(Online source, emphasis mine)

It seems to me that if she meant in Scripture then she wouldn’t have to worry about “missing” what God has to say and can “receive a word” from God at any time, no?


Be that as it may, today Beth Moore looks as if she’s become aware of this kind of recent criticism as she tweets:






(Online source)

Well, I must say this really is pretty much the very definition of the word. However, leaving that aside, Moore would continue with her Twitter discussion concerning her fear:




(Online source)

Here’s the finish:





(Online source)

Apparently Beth Moore’s placing herself among the teachers and leaders getting “hit constantly & misunderstood.” I can only speak for what I’ve written; but I’m hard-pressed to see where I’ve done so with her. Take for example the clip below from the Be Still DVD released in 2006 by 20th Century Fox. She’s seen praising a Roman Catholic mystic and includes herself when speaking of Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP), which is a form of meditation in an altered state of consciousness.

You’ll hear Moore use contemplative-speak concerning “a true lover of God” to lavish praise upon this person who “spoke about practicing God’s presence” in CCP. I still wonder why Moore apparently felt that she needed to obscure the fact she’s speaking of apostate Roman Catholic Carmelite mystic Nicholas Herman (1614-1691) aka “Brother Lawrence.”




I ask again; by what criterion can someone who died a slave to a false gospel be considered a true lover of God? Now, as far as my saying Beth Moore receives—at least on occasion—direct revelation from God apart from Scripture, it’s pretty hard for her to prove me mistaken when she says things like this:

What God began to say to me about five years ago, and I’m telling you it sent me on such a trek with Him, that my head is still whirling over it.

He began to say to me, ‘I’m gonna tell you something right now, Beth, and boy you write this one down, and you say it as often as I give you utterance to say it:

“My Bride is paralyzed by unbelief. My Bride is paralyzed by unbelief.” And He said, “Startin’ with you.”

Listen for yourself:




In closing this, for now, it’s crystal clear below that Beth Moore is not talking about the Bible, but rather, is speaking about some sort of vision allegedly given to her by God:

to beg to differ with people that are ten times smarter than I am. But I want to say to you I see something different than that. I see God doing something huge in the body of Christ. I do not know why I have had the privilege to get to travel around, see one church after another…one group of believers after another, interdenominationally, all over this country, but I have gotten to see something that I think is huge.

And I’ll also suggest to you I am not the only one. And tonight I’m going to do my absolute best to illustrate to you something that God showed me out on that back porch. He put a picture…I’ve explained to you before I am a very visual person…so He speaks to me very often of putting a picture in my head.



And it was as if I was raised up looking down on a community, as I saw the Church in that particular dimension- certainly not all dimensions, not even in many, but in what we will discuss tonight, the church, as Jesus sees it, in a particular dimension.”
(Online source, emphasis mine)




I told you elsewhere this is from her BG series, which I have, so I know it isn’t taken out of context. To anyone but someone blinded by devotion to Beth the following is crystal clear:

1) Moore is speaking of the universal Church, i.e. the Body of Christ; 2) she’s claiming extra-biblical revelation via a literal vision God showed her, and 3) it supposedly enabled her to see the Church “as Jesus sees it.”

There’s simply no way around this, period. It’s very important you keep that in mind as you watch this final video clip, which is taken from a section after God Himself allegedly gave Beth Moore a literal vision that afforded her the ability in a “particular dimension” to see the Body of Christ “as Jesus sees it.” Now watch as Moore illustrates the “something different” she sees “God doing” in the Church, i.e. “the body of Christ.”




You’ll see she includes the Roman Catholic Church:




A couple of quick questions come to mind: Is God really now ok with the Roman Catholic Church anathematizing His Gospel? Were the Protestant Reformers really wrong? I think we’re safe to answer both: No; which means, Beth Moore did not receive that vision from God and we need to reject it.

It is a vivid example why we should practice the proper Christian spirituality of sola Scriptura and turn away from charismania such as this. And in the end, if Beth Moore doesn’t wish to be associated with mysticism then she needs to stop creating confusion, repent, and retract these teachings. Publicly and immediately.



BETH MOORE THE MYSTIC : Apprising Ministries

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DID GOD GIVE BETH MOORE THIS VISION?
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Jan 13, 2012 in AM Missives, Beth Moore, Current Issues, Features, Southern Baptist Convention

Among the issues Apprising Ministries covers is how even the heretical Word Faith movement continues heading toward acceptance within the mainstream of evangelicalism.

Unfortunately, as apostasy spreads like an Oklahoma wild-fire, with timid leaders scared of their own spiritual shadows, we now find ourselves in a nauseating New Downgrade No-Controversy.

So, unless you’ve been living in a cave you know that Gospel Coalition Council member James MacDonald has invited notorious blab it, grab it Word Faith modalist T.D. Jakes into his Elephant Room 2.

I also recently showed you in Dung Droppings From The Elephant Room: Greg Laurie that ER’s goal is to form a new unified tribe. Now, you might say: Ok Ken, um, what has any of this to do with Beth Moore? Well kemosabe, I’m glad you asked. The answer is found in Beth Moore To Speak For Hillsong Church.

Unfortunately, too many people are listening to themselves and not God so they actually think this “unity” being forged right now by the spiritually spineless and scared of its own shadow evanjellyfish is actually God’s will. Those with eyes to see and ears that hear know that this spiritual tower of Babel isn’t God’s will at all.

You may recall that in Beth Moore Recommends “Jesus Calling” Book Claiming Direct Divine Revelation, we see the largely pretending to be Protestant evangelical community continues its pilgrimage back to the legalistic spiritual bondage of apostate Roman Catholicism and its evil author the Church of Rome.

In addition, recently I pointed out in James Robison And Rick Warren Working To Reverse The Protestant Reformation that both of those men associated with the Southern Baptist Convention—supposedly the largest *cough* Protestant denomination in the United States—hold the Roman Catholic Church is a Christian entity.

But how does this involve Beth Moore you may wonder? Well, she appears on her friend James Robison’s TV program every Wednesday. Ah, but you might say: That’s guilt-by-association; we don’t know that Beth Moore agrees with Robison. I concur; to a point. I’ve not seen her say anything regarding Robison’s heretical view.

That noted, followers of Beth Moore who’ve written me and commented on articles concerning her mystic/contemplative/charismatic bent are largely missing the point in their attempt to defend her. You need to know I’m the source from which the recent videos have come. Now I’ll tell you a few things to clarify why.

First of all, I don’t hate Beth Moore; she seems to me to be a very genuine and nice person, and I don’t question her Christian commitment. Secondly, I am also SBC, for now, and happen to be a former Roman Catholic whom God chose to deliver from the religious bondage of the Church of Rome into the glorious liberty of the sons of God.

So, when I see the current evangelical fad of practicing Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism (CSM) slithering through the SBC now, e.g. Southern Baptist Convention Using More Counter Reformation Contemplative Spirituality, it catches my attention. CSM is nothing more than a reimagined Roman Catholic mysticism that flowered in Rome’s monastic traditions.

As I’ve began warning, in pieces like Southern Baptist Kay Warren Promoting Devout Roman Catholic Jean Vanier and The Push For A Roman Catholic Denomination And The SBC’S Russell Moore, there appears to be a move by some big names within evangelicalism to try and get people to believe the RCC is really but another Christian denomination.

Frankly, that is the view of many in evangelicalism at large; however, I’m mostly concentrating on SBC names at this time. So, we now call Beth Moore to the witness stand. Please know that Glenn Chatfield did cover some of this very well years ago. However, I wasn’t able to get hold of the materials myself until recently so I could speak personally to the issues.

With this in mind then, the clips of Beth Moore that follow come from my copy of her 2002 series Believing God (BG), which as you can see below is still promoted by Lifeway—the publishing arm of the SBC:


(Online source)

Being that this LifeWay-sponsored BG Online Bible Study is from 10 years ago, we are safe to assume that the SBC feels that what you’re about to hear from Beth Moore is in line with this evangelical Protestant denomination. This even though the SBC supposedly frowns upon charismatic practices—such as receiving direct personal revelations from God.

However, apparently in the case of Beth Moore the Slowly Becoming Catholic has long ago given her a pass. In this video clip below it is an incontrovertible fact that Moore is describing a literal vision she claims that God gave her:


Let me now walk you through what she just said:

Transcription: “… to beg to differ with people that are ten times smarter than I am. But I want to say to you I see something different than that. I see God doing something huge in the body of Christ. I do not know why I have had the privilege to get to travel around, see one church after another…one group of believers after another, interdenominationally, all over this country, but I have gotten to see something that I think is huge.

And I’ll also suggest to you I am not the only one. And tonight I’m going to do my absolute best to illustrate to you something that God showed me out on that back porch. He put a picture…I’ve explained to you before I am a very visual person…so He speaks to me very often of putting a picture in my head.

And it was as if I was raised up looking down on a community, as I saw the Church in that particular dimension- certainly not all dimensions, not even in many, but in what we will discuss tonight, the church, as Jesus sees it, in a particular dimension.”
(Online source, emphasis mine)

That’s Moore’s testimony; those are her own words. If one is unbiased, the following should now be crystal clear: 1) Beth Moore is talking about the universal Church, i.e. the Body of Christ; 2) she’s also claiming extra-biblical revelation via a literal vision that she testifies God showed her, and 3) it supposedly enabled her to see the Church “as Jesus sees it.” There’s simply no way around this, period.

It’s very important that you keep all of this in mind now as you watch the next video clip, which is taken from a section after God Himself allegedly gave Beth Moore a literal vision that afforded her the ability in a “particular dimension” to see the Body of Christ “as Jesus sees it.” Now watch as Moore illustrates the vision concerning “something different” she sees “God doing” in the Church, i.e. “the body of Christ.”

You’ll see she does include the apostate Roman Catholic Church among her Christian denominations:


Well, it would seem that Beth Moore has also been elevated to the status of her fellow Southern Baptist, PDL Pope Rick Warren, in being able to decree and declare that the Protestant Reformation is officially over. Now for the key questions. First of all, do you seriously think that God actually gave this vision to Beth Moore?

Secondly, why is she still being promoted within the Southern Baptist Convention? Where are the leaders within the SBC calling Beth Moore out for this blatant false teaching, which she attributes to God? And lastly, just exactly how far off track does Beth Moore have to get before the broader evangelical community stops holding her up as a good role model?



DID GOD GIVE BETH MOORE THIS VISION? : Apprising Ministries