Re: Magic Circles Taught by Zondervan & Seeker pastor Mark Batterson
You are m aking your assertion and even doing it here. Your statement here is another example. You state "objectified prayer gimmicks" are "what contemplatives" always pursue. You state that as fact. Basically if that statement were true, than anything anyone does to give a structure to prayer, or to give language to understand can become an "objectified prayer gimmick." Let me turn a question around on you for a second to get the point. Can a person perhaps walk one of the "labryrinths" and be engaging in real prayer? Can some walk a city, and be engaging in real prayer? Can someone simply pray for a person over and over without adding any more than the persons name be engaging in real prayer? Where is your line there? I repeat all you have stated is a premise and offered no proof. Let's say I was someone who 100% backed all that Mark Batterson said, and ran across these statements, what kind of response is most likely? Is wisdom, truth, and love to be found in the engagement? Or is would someone simplely leave shaking there head?
Originally Posted by OnceWasLost
No the terminology is the problem. Yes, I am well familar with "foster, willard" and so on. Your making a difference between "contemplative" and "contemplate" as if there is a difference other than the "contemplative" lable that easily paints with broad brush strokes and does nothing other then lable. There are broader meanings to both. See, you keep trying to put me in the box of a naive and blind person who you have to get it through thick skull about evils and get frustrated that I am "not getting it." I know all to well the varied threads and webs of deception that exist. I have had to confront some individuals sternly, usually to see them end up rejecting the confrontation and going deeper into error. Here, simply engaged to encourage careful and thought out engagement.
True peace is not the absence of pain or suffering but only found in full surrender to the King of Kings