Results 1 to 9 of 9
Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By BobFin

Thread: "Christian" ELCA church in California teams up with high priestess of Isis

  1. #1
    billiefan2000 is offline Citizen
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Omaha Nebraska and Dreamland when I am sleeping
    Posts
    11,489

    Default "Christian" ELCA church in California teams up with high priestess of Isis

    Christian church teams up with high priestess of Isis
    ELCA denomination welcoming paganism with guided meditations

    Posted: October 29, 2011
    10:55 pm Eastern

    Christian church teams up with high priestess of Isis

    A Protestant church in California is coming under fire from some Christians over its upcoming conference featuring "guided meditations" by a high priestess of the pagan fertility goddess Isis.

    The fifth annual "Faith and Feminism Conference" taking place Nov. 11–13 is being hosted by the Ebenezer Lutheran Church in San Francisco, which bills itself as "herchurch."

    Among the scheduled participants is Loreon Vigne, high priestess of Isis Oasis – a temple, retreat and animal sanctuary Vigne founded in 1978 in Geyserville, Calif.

    "I personally see Isis as Mother Nature," Vigne told WND, "and that she encompasses everything with her wings. She's a winged goddess. She encompasses any other goddess from any culture."

    Vigne, who plans to bring several other priestesses to the conference, will conduct prayers, songs and meditation.

    "Guided meditation is where the audience closes their eyes and you take them on a little journey," she explained. "I've taken people to their past lives in Egypt, as [that culture] had all the secrets. They're the ones that knew. Their main concept is to know thyself, know thy heart, know thy soul and know thy purpose."

    The Bible is packed with information they never tell you in most churches. Find out what you're missing in the book that champions that absolute truth of God's Holy Scripture, and learn your incredible, underpublicized destiny in the No. 1 best-seller, "Shocked by the Bible: The Most Astonishing Facts You've Never Been Told" -- autographed!


    She says the belief system is based on the ancient Egyptian concept of balance, with 42 laws that are actually 42 ideals.

    "It's kind of like a Ten Commandments, but all done in a positive concept," she said. "'I shalt not kill,' [is rendered as] 'I honor all lives as sacred.'"

    Besides honoring the goddess, the staff of Isis Oasis also provides massage therapy along with tarot and astrology readings, according to its website.

    But the San Francisco event blending non-existent, heathen deities with the Christian faith is leaving some outraged.

    "You can't make this stuff up!" exclaimed Dan Skogen of Marion, Iowa, who describes himself as a Lutheran fed up with the "constant mockery of God's word" by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, or ELCA, which boasts some 4.2 million members in 10,000 congregations.

    "God tells us in Exodus 20:3 'You shall have no other gods before me.' Yet this ELCA church brings followers of other gods in to speak and teach at their conference!"

    Skogen said the ELCA leadership "accepts and promotes the thought that salvation is secured even for people who do not have faith in Christ."

    "So bringing worshippers of Isis to this conference to teach is acceptable to them," said. "Of course, this is a distinct departure from the orthodox teaching of the Christian church."



    Throughout the Bible, there are many warnings against worshiping false gods.

    The Israelites were nearly exterminated by God when they made a golden calf to worship, but said it was a "festival to the LORD." (Exodus 32:5, New Living Translation)

    And they were later warned: "But if your heart turns away and you refuse to listen, and if you are drawn away to serve and worship other gods, then I warn you now that you will certainly be destroyed." (Deuteronomy 30:17-18, NLT)


    Skogen said, "Over the years, the ELCA has been drifting farther and farther away from the truth and authority of Scripture. When a church does not trust, adhere to and believe what the Bible clearly states, heresies emerge, resulting in false teachings and blatant disobedience."



    Rev. Megan Rohrer, an openly transgender Lutheran pastor


    Defending the event is one of its organizers, Rev. Megan Rohrer, the first openly transgender Lutheran minister ordained in the United States.

    "I think the world is much more interested in interfaith connection than exclusivity," Rohrer told WND. "It's really not that unusual. Christianity was founded in the time of the beginnings of lots of things."

    While acknowledging concern about mixing paganism with Christianity is a "hot-button issue," the pastor said, "Christians that say that probably don't know what paganism is."

    "Anything that's not what anyone's church teaches is against God's ways," she added.

    The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines "pagan" as "heathen, especially: a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome)." It defines the word "heathen" as "an unconverted member of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of the Bible."

    This particular Lutheran church in San Francisco is far from what many might consider mainstream.

    For instance, it heavily promotes a female identity for God, with a giant banner hanging from its purple exterior declaring "God/dess loves all her children."

    "We are a diverse community, standing firmly within the Christian tradition in order to re-image the divine by claiming her feminine persona," the church proclaims.

    "Our Christian/Lutheran feminist prayers and liturgy reach back into the storehouse of tradition to bring forth names as Mother, Shaddai, Sophia, Womb, Midwife, Shekinah, She Who Is. They do so out of renewed insights into the nature of the Gospel empowered by the risen Christ-Sophia."



    The Ebenezer Lutheran Church in San Francisco calls itself "herchurch."

    Asked to explain the church's theology, Rev. Rohrer said, "Being Christian and being feminist are not two opposite ends of the spectrum."

    She said her church is "creating caring economics and creating a world where every person's identity is held up with its integrity, creating equal playing fields for every human being."

    "The U.N. continues to say if we're able to educate women globally, we will probably eliminate poverty," she added.

    Other events at the conference include a chanting workshop with another Isis priestess, Katie Kethcum, "inclusive" hymns, sacred walks, sacred drums, sacred dance and Kundalini Yoga mantras, which the church says "are composed of basic phonetic sounds common to all languages and have been used to invoke the presence of the Divine for centuries."

    Also speaking at the conference is Mary Streufert, director for Justice for Women at ELCA's headquarters in Chicago. She refused comment when asked about her participation.

    Interest in the Egyptian goddess is certainly not new in the U.S. In the mid-1970s, she became a flying superhero on the CBS Saturday-morning TV series "Isis."



    The program featured actress JoAnna Cameron playing a science teacher who, after unearthing an ancient amulet on an archaeological dig, transforms herself into a superpower-endowed do-gooder by uttering the incantation, "Oh mighty Isis."

    Another catchphrase on the show was, "Oh zephyr winds that blow on high. Lift me now so I can fly."

    Vigne says today there are "many thousands" of followers of Isis worldwide.

    "The important thing is that it's growing enormously. There is this resurgence of interest," she said.

    "I think that people are getting annoyed with the normal churches, the established kind of organized religion. I call mine a disorganized religion, humorously. I say I have catma, not dogma."



    Read more: Christian church teams up with high priestess of Isis
    http://www.messianicrx.net
    http://www.hollywoodprayernetwork.org
    http://www.classreport.org/


    For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also (Matthew 6:21)

  2. #2
    JAyres is offline Citizen
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lewisville, TX (suburb of Dallas)
    Posts
    250

    Default Re: "Christian" ELCA church in California teams up with high priestess of Isis

    Wow. People will really believe just about anything. It's women like this that I want to ask "where'd you get the shoes, and what are you doing out of the kitchen" just to see how they'll react.

  3. #3
    mattfivefour's Avatar
    mattfivefour is offline Moderator
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    MidWest
    Posts
    18,069

    Default Re: "Christian" ELCA church in California teams up with high priestess of Isis

    Organizer Rev. Megan Rohrer: "I think the world is much more interested in interfaith connection than exclusivity." Ah, so she has just denied Christ. He said "I am the only way to God." What Ms (she is as much "reverend" as the dog across the street) Rohrer is actually saying is: "I think the world is much more interested in interfaith connection than in the claims of Jesus Christ." And she is right. The world IS much more interested in its own ideas than in God's. And since she is appealing to the world, her message is on target. What I do not understand is how the church begun by Luther and supposedly modeled after his principles is accepting these kinds of statements from members of its clergy.

    As Lutheran Dan Skogen of Marion, Iowa is quoted in the article as exclaiming: "You can't make this stuff up!"
    -------"You are not your own; you are bought with a price." —1 Corinthians 6:19b-20a

    ------ ------ ------

  4. #4
    dave-o is offline Citizen
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    681

    Default Re: "Christian" ELCA church in California teams up with high priestess of Isis


  5. #5
    IamPJ's Avatar
    IamPJ is offline Citizen
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    S.E.Texas
    Posts
    763

    Default Re: "Christian" ELCA church in California teams up with high priestess of Isis


  6. #6
    billiefan2000 is offline Citizen
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Omaha Nebraska and Dreamland when I am sleeping
    Posts
    11,489

    Default Re: "Christian" ELCA church in California teams up with high priestess of Isis

    Quote Originally Posted by IamPJ View Post
    I know

    and as many are saying. It's time for the ELCA to quit calling themselves Lutherans (if they are going to be into pagan and occultic stuff) like Rohrer's church in SF is.


    (for the record: I am not a Lutheran, though there are some good churches in my town that are Lutheran.
    http://www.messianicrx.net
    http://www.hollywoodprayernetwork.org
    http://www.classreport.org/


    For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also (Matthew 6:21)

  7. #7
    billiefan2000 is offline Citizen
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Omaha Nebraska and Dreamland when I am sleeping
    Posts
    11,489

    Default Re: "Christian" ELCA church in California teams up with high priestess of Isis

    http://www.messianicrx.net
    http://www.hollywoodprayernetwork.org
    http://www.classreport.org/


    For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also (Matthew 6:21)

  8. #8
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    914

    Default Re: "Christian" ELCA church in California teams up with high priestess of Isis

    This "church" is a glorified coven, and the so-called pastor is a whack-job.

  9. #9
    BobFin is offline Jr. Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    36

    Default Re: "Christian" ELCA church in California teams up with high priestess of Isis

    Quote Originally Posted by mattfivefour View Post
    Organizer Rev. Megan Rohrer: "I think the world is much more interested in interfaith connection than exclusivity." Ah, so she has just denied Christ. He said "I am the only way to God." What Ms (she is as much "reverend" as the dog across the street) Rohrer is actually saying is: "I think the world is much more interested in interfaith connection than in the claims of Jesus Christ." And she is right. The world IS much more interested in its own ideas than in God's. And since she is appealing to the world, her message is on target. What I do not understand is how the church begun by Luther and supposedly modeled after his principles is accepting these kinds of statements from members of its clergy.

    As Lutheran Dan Skogen of Marion, Iowa is quoted in the article as exclaiming: "You can't make this stuff up!"
    2 Tim 4:3-4
    3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

    One of the BEST pieces of advice ever given to me when I was a new Christian was this: "NEVER take what I or anyone says as absolute truth, ALWAYS back it up with what the Bible says."

    I try to take this piece of advice to heart everyday! To bad so many people in this world do not!
    livin_in_the_Son likes this.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •