Joel Osteen Says Mormons Are Christians

[billiefan2000]

Joel Osteen Says Mormons Are Christians

[seank6]

[JAyres]

"I believe this bicycle is a Harley. It might not be the purest form of Harley, but it's got two wheels, a frame, and handles, and that's the core of what a Harley is."

[IamPJ]

Does he even know what a Christian is?

[mattfivefour]

Does he even know what a Christian is?

PJ, as I viewed the interview clip my thought was along the same lines as yours. To be exact, my thought was "Aha! He has finally given clear evidence that he does not know either what a Christian is or the means of salvation."

[IamPJ]

It is really sad, because this man has one of the biggest congregations in the U.S.

[billiefan2000]

Joel Osteen–”Mormons are Christians” (Part 1,382)
Posted on October 28, 2011 by fourpointer
As if we needed yet more proof that Joel Osteen is a wishy-washy, milquetoast, “let’s all get together for milk and cookies” false teacher. In an interview with the Washington Times, here we have him saying (yet again) that Mormons are Christians. this is not the first time that Joel Osteen has embraced the cult of Joseph Smith. He did the same in a 2007 interview with FOX News’ Chris Wallace.

Here are the two videos that show he has not learned to discern between the truth and the lie:


2007:






2011:





While it’s easy to sit back and smirk and say, “Well, there he goes again,” there is a bigger picture we must see:

1) This is a man who has influence over thousands and thousands of people who profess to know the TRUE Christ. People who go through the day thinking they know the One who called Himself “The Way, the Truth, and the Life.” And yet they are being deceived by this man.

2) This is a man who claims to be preaching the word of God. He stands on a grand stage every week, peddling his brand of feel-good philosophy, promising everyone they can have their “Best Life Now®”, and telling you how to “Become a Better You®”, and how to make “Every day a Friday®”. And yet he will not tell his audience how to avoid sin, how to be pleasing to God, or how to avoid His wrath and judgment. And now, he is teaching his followers to embrace the henotheistic, works-based false gospel of the flesh-peddler Joseph Smith.

3) He is, by the same token, comforting Mormons who are deceived by their elders and “prophets”. By giving Mormonism his support, Osteen is telling the Mormon who is placing his/her hope for salvation in their own works (along with a little help from Jesus), he is letting them be comfortable in their deception, showing them how to have a smile on their face and a full belly all the way to Hell.

This man is unbiblical in his approach to preaching, avoiding the hard truths. He embraces false religions. Of his followers, Paul wrote well when he said, rather prophetically, that “You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed” (2nd Corinthians 11:4, New Living Translation). I beg you, if you follow this man, avoid him.

Romans 16:17-18–17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.

Galatians 1:8-9–8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

Jeremiah 23:1-3–1 “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the LORD. 2 Therefore thus says the LORD God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,” says the LORD.



Joel Osteen–”Mormons are Christians” (Part 1,382) | Defending. Contending.

[billiefan2000]

Wake Up Church!

Wake Up Church! | Stand Up for the Truth


Education, Featured | October 28, 2011 by Mike LeMay | 0 Comments

Harold Camping was wrong…again! The rapture did not occur last Friday and we are all still here. But as wrong and pathetic people like Harold Camping are when they ignore God’s Word and claim they know the exact date of Jesus’ return, Jesus did tell us we could know the season of his return by observing the signs of the times.

To me, there can be little doubt that we are in the final years before our King returns. But what are we doing with these precious few years that remain? Sadly, the church as a whole—the Body of Christ—is in defensive mode, trying to hold on to what we have instead of taking the battle to the enemy as we are commanded to.


Jesus told us to go make DISCIPLES, but we seem content to attract people to a lukewarm faith that requires no personal commitment.




More and more churches are turning their backs on the Word of God as absolute truth. And even many of those who still believe the bible is true seek human ways to attract new members instead of preaching boldly from God’s Word.

We have forsaken a message of sin, repentance and holiness for one of feel good “what can Christianity do for me”.



We watch false and misleading teachers like Brian McLaren, Jim Wallis and Tony Campolo teaching a false gospel, many times denying the nature of God that the bible teaches us.


Hey, not only do we tolerate these false teachers, we invite them in to speak to our church and to our youth.



And now Pastor Joel Osteen states that he believes Mormonism is Christianity. Have we fallen so far that we are willing to embrace false Christianity so as not to offend anyone?

Or out of fear that our bold stance on the bible will cost us church members and money?



Apparently we have. Collectively we have lost our conviction and courage as a church. We are selling out to political correctness and the belief that the gospel is too offensive.


Well, here’s some breaking news—the gospel IS offensive!


It tells every one of us that we are wretched, pathetic sinners capable of doing nothing good on our own. But don’t tell that to Jim Wallis.


He believes his social justice liberation theology will bring out the best in man. Heck we can even rewrite the book of Revelation and usher in utopia on our own.


And certainly don’t tell Joel Osteen that the gospel is offensive.


To him it’s all about the wonderful cotton candy life of abundance God wants us to have.

Well, how did that abundant life of prosperity work for the Apostle Paul or the other apostles who were martyred for their belief in Jesus Christ? And now Osteen welcomes Mormons as Christians.


Mormons who believe that Jesus was a god and an example of what we can become—rather than the only begotten Son of God who died for our sins.

These are crazy times indeed. The world has chosen its destiny—denying Jesus Christ and His gospel of salvation. But to see Christian churches and leaders preaching a false gospel is tragic.

“At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise….” Is your lamp full of oil awaiting our bridegroom?

Or is your lamp empty or filled with a fake oil—a false gospel– that will not light? We better check because the bridegroom could be headed back real soon. And remember what the bridegroom says to the foolish virgins in the end: “I never knew you!”



Wake Up Church! | Stand Up for the Truth

[mattfivefour]

Jesus told us to go make DISCIPLES, but we seem content to attract people to a lukewarm faith that requires no personal commitment.

Enough said.

And the only way to change that is to get back to right relationship with God. When our relationship with Him is right, our relationships with others will be right and our "fellowship in the gospel" will be fervent and effectual. Our relationship with Jesus Christ and our new life in Him began the moment we heard His call and chose to commit ourselves to Him. He took that initial, incipient commitment and is bringing it to fruition. But those whom we bring to Christ must understand that in order to come into like relationship with Him they also have to commit themselves to Him; and too much of so-called evangelical gospel preaching today ignores that fact. Thus we have unsaved people thinking they are saved because they accepted the easy, cotton-candy gospel they heard preached ... rather than the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

[makememeek]

Well? Mr. Olsteen opens his mouth, and his heart reveals itself.
Be sure your sin will find you out.

[billiefan2000]

FORMER MORMON TO JOEL OSTEEN: "SHAME ON YOU"



Posted: 10/28/11


Dear Pastor Joel Osteen, Shame on You!



I have just watched your remarks regarding Mitt Romney and his Mormon faith, recorded on video. Mormons are Christians, says Osteen (OneNewsNow.com)



Shame on you! You have given the enemies of the Cross a great victory. Either through sheer ignorance of the Word or your apparent desire to never offend anyone, regardless of their sins, you have handed the Mormons a huge PR gift. You have insulted and denigrated the many former Mormons like me who have spent their lives bringing Mormons the truth and to the Real Jesus, who died for their sins on Calvary. You have defined our ministries and my life's work as worthless.



You emphatically state: The Mormons are Christian. Are you completely ignorant of the fact that the Mormons have taught as a foundational doctrine that the creeds of all the Christian churches are abominations in the Mormons' god's sight?



What kind of research or study did you undertake before you made this foolish and unbiblical utterance? Did you check with Pastor Jeffress, a godly, Christian pastor? Or with Mitt Romney, a man working out his own godhood? Or did you just toss this out from your own lack of knowledge or as some sort of sweet sound bite?



Are you totally unaware that they have taught in their sacred temples for over a century that you and all other Christian pastors are corrupt hirelings of Satan, that you and your church are part of the great and abominable church and the ***** of all the earth?



Did you not know that Mormonism teaches a restorationist theology, stating that the gates of hell did prevail against the Church and teaching that all power and authority were lost until God chose Joseph Smith to be his holy prophet to restore all things and lead this last dispensation of time?



Did you not know that the LDS church teaches they have the only true church, the only true prophet, the only true priesthood, and the only true scripture? That all others are false? That there is NO personal salvation outside their church?



Didn't you know that the god of Mormonism is an exalted man-god who once lived on another planet in some other galaxy? That he earned his godhood through his good works and now lives on a planet near the great star Kolob with a harem of his many goddesses, making spirit babies to come to this earth to earn [their own] godhoods?



You say you "heard Romney say that Jesus is the Son of God and is his Savior -- and that is one of the "core issues."



You announced to the world, with a broad smile, that the Mormon Church and Romney are Christian and that the differences between Mormonism and orthodox Christianity are simply the same as the differences between Baptists and other denominations. How could you, as the pastor of one of our largest churches, say that so glibly?



Don't you know that Mitt Romney is a man who is earning his own godhood and plans to people his own planet? That Romney is a Mormon High Priest in the Melchizedek priesthood? That the Mormons have usurped that holy priesthood as their own?



To pronounce them Christians, do you then agree with the Mormon doctrine that the Mormon Jesus is the brother of Lucifer? That he became 'savior' by a vote of a council of gods? That He is not the Word become flesh, not God come in the flesh, but was conceived through an act of sex by the Mormon god and one of his own daughters, Mary?



To have publicly accepted their Christianity, you must apparently concur that Jesus did not die as ransom for our sins on the Cross, but suffered for us in the garden, sweating great drops of blood, placing our personal salvation as conditional upon our works and our obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Mormon gospel. That Jesus' death on Calvary merely gives us all resurrection so that we may be judged for our works and obedience.



Why do you think that the Mormons have over 50,000 missionaries out, primarily targeting Christians weak in the faith? If they are Christians, why do they target other Christians?



It is because they have success in seducing people who have not been taught biblical truth and discernment by pastors more eager to fill pews and sell books than guard their people from the ravening wolves who circle the flocks.



I am sorry, Pastor Osteen, but you have disgraced the Cross of Christ and bowed to some vile, politically correct dogma and publicly pronounced these doctrines of demons to be Christian.



These are not the quaint differences you alleged in your book tour interview. These are lies from the pit of hell. There are irreconcilable differences between orthodox Christianity and these antichrist teachings and doctrines.



The true Christian Church can never accept the Mormons as Christians until they confess these lies as sins and repent from them publicly. If a Mormon can attend your church and be openly accepted as a Christian brother or sister without being called to the Cross and repentance, then you are teaching a false faith and need to repent and ask forgiveness from the Church and Pastor Jeffress, the pastor you have just defamed in your foolish utterances.



Ed Decker

President

Saints Alive in Jesus


Former Mormon To Joel Osteen: "Shame on You"

[billiefan2000]

related to last posting on here


Crosstalk: November 4, 2011
Ed Decker, founder of Saints Alive, was a Mormon for 20 years of his adult life. He was a member of the Melchizedek priesthood, a Temple Mormon and active in many church positions. Through a crisis in his life, Ed met the real Jesus and his life was changed forever. An active author, speaker and evangelist, Ed has brought the light of Biblical truth to uncountable thousands of those lost in spiritual darkness.

Today, the work of Saints Alive Ministries has expanded worldwide and includes ministry to other groups such as the Masonic Lodge. Vic began by playing an audio clip from mega-church pastor, Joel Osteen.

Osteen’s comments from last Monday, October 24th, were in response to a reporter’s questions where he said he believes Mormons are Christians, but does not know whether Mormonism is the “purest form of Christianity”.

Ed Decker has issued a response in a formal letter to Pastor Osteen, a letter that is available to you and a portion of which you’ll hear on this edition of Crosstalk.


Worldview Radio: Crosstalk - November 4th, 2011

[mattfivefour]

FORMER MORMON TO JOEL OSTEEN: "SHAME ON YOU"



Posted: 10/28/11


Dear Pastor Joel Osteen, Shame on You!



I have just watched your remarks regarding Mitt Romney and his Mormon faith, recorded on video. Mormons are Christians, says Osteen (OneNewsNow.com)



Shame on you! You have given the enemies of the Cross a great victory. Either through sheer ignorance of the Word or your apparent desire to never offend anyone, regardless of their sins, you have handed the Mormons a huge PR gift. You have insulted and denigrated the many former Mormons like me who have spent their lives bringing Mormons the truth and to the Real Jesus, who died for their sins on Calvary. You have defined our ministries and my life's work as worthless.



You emphatically state: The Mormons are Christian. Are you completely ignorant of the fact that the Mormons have taught as a foundational doctrine that the creeds of all the Christian churches are abominations in the Mormons' god's sight?



What kind of research or study did you undertake before you made this foolish and unbiblical utterance? Did you check with Pastor Jeffress, a godly, Christian pastor? Or with Mitt Romney, a man working out his own godhood? Or did you just toss this out from your own lack of knowledge or as some sort of sweet sound bite?



Are you totally unaware that they have taught in their sacred temples for over a century that you and all other Christian pastors are corrupt hirelings of Satan, that you and your church are part of the great and abominable church and the ***** of all the earth?



Did you not know that Mormonism teaches a restorationist theology, stating that the gates of hell did prevail against the Church and teaching that all power and authority were lost until God chose Joseph Smith to be his holy prophet to restore all things and lead this last dispensation of time?



Did you not know that the LDS church teaches they have the only true church, the only true prophet, the only true priesthood, and the only true scripture? That all others are false? That there is NO personal salvation outside their church?



Didn't you know that the god of Mormonism is an exalted man-god who once lived on another planet in some other galaxy? That he earned his godhood through his good works and now lives on a planet near the great star Kolob with a harem of his many goddesses, making spirit babies to come to this earth to earn [their own] godhoods?



You say you "heard Romney say that Jesus is the Son of God and is his Savior -- and that is one of the "core issues."



You announced to the world, with a broad smile, that the Mormon Church and Romney are Christian and that the differences between Mormonism and orthodox Christianity are simply the same as the differences between Baptists and other denominations. How could you, as the pastor of one of our largest churches, say that so glibly?



Don't you know that Mitt Romney is a man who is earning his own godhood and plans to people his own planet? That Romney is a Mormon High Priest in the Melchizedek priesthood? That the Mormons have usurped that holy priesthood as their own?



To pronounce them Christians, do you then agree with the Mormon doctrine that the Mormon Jesus is the brother of Lucifer? That he became 'savior' by a vote of a council of gods? That He is not the Word become flesh, not God come in the flesh, but was conceived through an act of sex by the Mormon god and one of his own daughters, Mary?



To have publicly accepted their Christianity, you must apparently concur that Jesus did not die as ransom for our sins on the Cross, but suffered for us in the garden, sweating great drops of blood, placing our personal salvation as conditional upon our works and our obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Mormon gospel. That Jesus' death on Calvary merely gives us all resurrection so that we may be judged for our works and obedience.



Why do you think that the Mormons have over 50,000 missionaries out, primarily targeting Christians weak in the faith? If they are Christians, why do they target other Christians?



It is because they have success in seducing people who have not been taught biblical truth and discernment by pastors more eager to fill pews and sell books than guard their people from the ravening wolves who circle the flocks.



I am sorry, Pastor Osteen, but you have disgraced the Cross of Christ and bowed to some vile, politically correct dogma and publicly pronounced these doctrines of demons to be Christian.



These are not the quaint differences you alleged in your book tour interview. These are lies from the pit of hell. There are irreconcilable differences between orthodox Christianity and these antichrist teachings and doctrines.



The true Christian Church can never accept the Mormons as Christians until they confess these lies as sins and repent from them publicly. If a Mormon can attend your church and be openly accepted as a Christian brother or sister without being called to the Cross and repentance, then you are teaching a false faith and need to repent and ask forgiveness from the Church and Pastor Jeffress, the pastor you have just defamed in your foolish utterances.



Ed Decker

President

Saints Alive in Jesus


Former Mormon To Joel Osteen: "Shame on You"

This was an excellent response to what Joel Osteen said and a clear outlining of why those who follow the Mormon so-called gospel lie in error and are in no way Christians despite the name they have taken for their movement. They are purveyors of another gospel, a completely different gospel, one that is completely antithetical to the the gospel of Jesus Christ. As such we have no choice but to consider them as God told us to in Galatians 1:8-9.