Daystar TV network's Robert Morris Spreads Tithing Prosperity Gospel to Rick Warren's Saddleback Chu

[billiefan2000]

Robert Morris Spreads Tithing Prosperity Gospel to Rick Warren's Saddleback Church on Vimeo


"Just from a business point of view, that's a good deal for 10%, to have God rebuking the devil for you....God is saying 'Listen, you're living in this cursed financial system, I would like to redeem your finances, protect your finances, from this world's system. The only way I can do it, though, is if you will recognize me first every time you get paid. If you will give me the tithe, I will redeem the rest of your finances out from under the curse.' " Robert Morris at Saddleback Church

Robert Morris Spreads Tithing Prosperity Gospel to Rick Warren's Saddleback Church on Vimeo


Robert Morris was invited to preach at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in September 2011.

Note: Saddleback Church is a Southern Baptist Church

What did Robert preach? He preached the same sermon he preached at Perry Noble's church, telling people that the key to financial prosperity is to tithe the FIRST 10% of your income to have the "curse" removed from your finances.

In this video, Robert even says it is a "good deal", to pay only 10% of your income to then have God to protect and prosper you.

This is a heresy, and yet Rick Warren purposely exposes his congregation to this nonsense.


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Watch out, church members. Investigate who it is that your pastor is inviting in to speak at your church.

The wolves may be at the door, waiting to come in, with no shepherd willing to protect the flock.

[billiefan2000]

btw:

Daystar allows this WOF peddler Robert Morris on their network


but what do you expect from daystar?

they bought a LPTV station in 2009 in Omaha KOHA-LP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and never have used it

and Daystar has even have falsely put out information they have been on their air to several tv ministries of their's (couple I contacted have now removed the KOHA info and were upset Daystar mis-informed them)

but this is another issue about daystar for another day

[billiefan2000]

on another side note

I am hoping folks from Lifegate Church of Omaha are reading this post


(Lifegate is a willow creek association member church

http://www.willowcreek.com/wca_info/...te=NE&Country=


(and the church's un-official it's motto like most fellow Willow Creek Association churces:

anything is and will be promoted regardless of whether it's sound or not and discernment is tossed aside


is promoting and heavily supporting stuff by Morris and a lot of other false teachers

Lifegate Church of Omaha


:pray for Lifegate Church of Omaha Nebraska and others in churches who promote Robert Morris WOF theology to see the truth about false teachers like Robert Morris

[billiefan2000]

Rick Warren Invites Word Faith Heretic Robert Morris to Teach Money Multiplication Heresy at Saddleback

The Museum of Idolatry: Rick Warren Invites Word Faith Heretic Robert Morris to Teach Money Multiplication Heresy at Saddleback

[billiefan2000]

speaking of Warren and Morris


you gotta hear this cause I wish this was a joke

Rick Warren Introduces Robert Morris as "Top Financial Authority in America" on Vimeo


Rick Warren Introduces Robert Morris as "Top Financial Authority in America"


Rick Warren Introduces Robert Morris as "Top Financial Authority in America" on Vimeo



Robert Morris is "Top Financial Authority in America" is like saying I won a Oscar for Best Supporting Actor in a movie in 2011

or saying Rick Warren or Robert Morris is a sound teacher (none of these 3 last statements we know is true

[billiefan2000]

speaking of Robert Morris



Robert Morris Explains How He Checks Tithing Records of Daughter's Boyfriend on Vimeo


Robert Morris Explains How He Checks Tithing Records of Daughter's Boyfriend (aka I wish I wish making this up)


Robert Morris Explains How He Checks Tithing Records of Daughter's Boyfriend on Vimeo




and like I said before, I am hoping folks from Lifegate Church of Omaha are reading this post

cause ur church is promoting a creepy to say the least guy named Robert Morris




i could understand he checking to make sure his daughter's boyfriend isnt a criminal

but this is creepy and bizarre on so many levels

[billiefan2000]

November 03, 2011
Rick Warren Teaches You How to Share YOUR Life Message


Fighting for the Faith: Rick Warren Teaches You How to Share YOUR Life Message

• Doomsday Casio Competition, God's Backhand
• Eric Dykstra Responds to Criticism
• Robert Morris Checks Tithing Record of Daughter's Boyfriend
• Rick Warren Teaches You How to Share Your Life Message
• Sermon Review, Psycho Path by Eric Dykstra

Fighting for the Faith: Rick Warren Teaches You How to Share YOUR Life Message

[billiefan2000]

turns out Perry Noble is doing same thing as Morris

felt like combining posts cause it is similar and related, plus considering both peddle the same things a lot,


why not have more info to show this isnt a isolated incident with Morris.

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FBC Jax Watchdogs: Perry Noble is Latest to Offer "90-Day Money Back Guarantee" on the Tithe

Tuesday, May 22, 2012



Perry Noble is Latest to Offer "90-Day Money Back Guarantee" on the Tithe


Perry Noble is the latest pastor to issue a formal "money back guarantee" to his church members as a gimmick to get a revenue boost at the church.


Ed Young, Jr. has tried this money-back guarantee gimmick.

Also, Robert Morris has tried the gimmick at his church and he has pushed it in churches around the country including Celebration Church in my own city of Jacksonville, Florida when Morris preached earlier this year for Stovall Weems



Below is the video of Perry Noble issuing the challenge. Here is a link at the church website to a form one must fill out to let the church know you are taking the challenge.


I guess to qualify you need to let God, er, I mean NewSpring, know you are taking the challenge? When do you think NewSpring will post a redemption link for people to request their tithe back?





If a discerning Christian watches Perry's video and listens very closely, they will see how absolutely ridiculous this "guarantee" is,


and why members at Perry's church should absolutely reject this idea as the money-grubbing marketing scheme that it is.



Let me give some commentary on Perry's guarantee to help you see why members of Perry's church should be offended and disgusted at such a challenge:




"Here's what we believe here at Newspring Church: you cannot out-give God."

I hate this statement. I've heard it for years, and you have too, probably.



Of course God is God, so who really could "out-give" God? Who said you can?


I hate this statement because of how the preachers like Perry who utter it want to use it to motivate gullible people to fork over more money to their church.

The implication of this phrase "you cannot out give God" is that the more money you give to the church, the more blessings you will receive.



This statement implies that your material blessings are tied to how much money you give.

More money, more blessings. Less money or no money, no blessings, only curses.



The phrase "you cannot out give God" implies that by giving to Perry's church you are "giving to God" (which is not true), and it implies that you cannot give too much to Perry's church because God will make sure he has your back no matter how much you give.




You CAN give too much money to Perry's church, if you cannot afford it and if it means you can't properly care for your family.



God makes no promise to Christians to subsidize foolish donations made to a 501(c)3 religious organization.



And we're just getting started. Here's the next phrase from Perry worth examining:




"And the very first way we that we put God first in the area of our finances is the tithe: 10% of our gross income."




Oh yes. If you are truly committed to Jesus, you will show it by giving 10% of your income.

Not 10% of your "net" income. It has to be the "gross", the before-tax amount, of course.




This sentence is the shortest and softest way to sell to his church members - as the piano gently plays in the background -

the false claim that unless you put God first in your finances by tithing, you are subject to a curse on all of your finances and you subject yourself to all sorts of calamity at the hands of God. Perry has said so before.




And one minor detail: the "tithe" in the Old Testament was not "10% of our gross income".



As documented over and over on this blog, the Old Testament tithe was 23 1/3%, not 10%.


But preachers know you can't give THAT much, so they round it off to an tidy 10%.



When preachers like Perry can't be completely truthful about even the percentage of the tithe from the Old Testament, what makes anyone think they are being truthful of how the verse applies to the Christian?




"And we believe that what the bible says in Malachi chapter 3, verse 10, is true, that if we will put God first with the tithe, then He will bless us."



Yep, "if...then"....if you give 10% of your income, then God will bless you.




And as Perry has said before, there is another "if...then" that he believes:

if you do NOT give 10%, then God CANNOT bless you. In fact you are under a curse.



But that is all pure fiction.


It is a preacher using the Old Testament verses in Malachi that were really spoken to the religious leaders of the day who were robbing the resources given to them by the people.


These verses applied to those living under the Old Covenant.


Those verses have no more application to the Christian's life than to the Old Testament verses on circumcision.




Perry doesn't give any New Testament verses that deal directly with how Christians should give (generously, consistently, and cheerfully), as those verses don't suit his purposes.


They might actually lead to a church member believing they are obeying God at a level less than 10%, and Perry can't have that.


Instead, it is more profitable to him to use Malachi 3 to make you think that the pathway to blessings is to give minimum of 10% of your income to his church.

And next, we see the kicker...that Perry and NewSpring actually do NOT believe Malachi 3:10:





"We believe it [the principle of the tithe] to the point that we are challenging you to take our 90-day tithe challenge.


And in 90 days if you don't like feel God has blessed you...we will refund every dime you gave..."

This is my favorite part of the money-back guarantee, because it proves the preacher doesn't actually believe what he preaches concerning the tithe.



The entire premise of the "tithe" is that it belongs to God, and if you don't bring your 10% to church, you are stealing because that portion of your income doesn't belong to you, it belongs to God

(and to give it to God, you have to of course deliver it in a pre-printed envelope, with the check made not to "God" but to "NewSpring Church".)



So get this: if it belongs to God and not you, and if Perry Noble and NewSpring church leaders actually believed that....



then how on earth would they think it OK to take what was not yours to begin with (your tithe), and give it back to you just because you want it back?


Wouldn't that mean THEY are robbing God by taking what you gave to God and then giving the money, which is God's money, back to you?


Wouldn't Perry and NewSpring now be under a curse? Where in scripture did the priests have the right to give back from the storehouse anything that was already given?



This proves that either Perry doesn't believe what he teaches about the tithe, or maybe a scarier proposition: perhaps Perry believes he and NewSpring Church ARE God.


Or maybe it really is a hoax, they know it, and they just think you're too stupid to carefully consider the implications of their guarantee.




Here's one that I can't believe they didn't edit out or do a retake on:




"If you don't feel like God has blessed you, if you don't feel like God has done what his word has said, if you believe God's a liar,


then's here's what we'll do: we'll refund every dime you gave during that 90-day period, no questions asked. We're not sending anybody to your house, nothing weird."



When you watch the video, you'll see Perry give a chuckle or snicker as he says "if you believe God's a liar"....because here is the catch:

if you actually make a claim to have your money refunded,

this will be interpreted by your church to mean you believe God is a liar.



Perry says they won't send anybody to your house.


Maybe not, but you will be singled out as a heretic, a money-grubber, someone who is hurting the church.



There you have it...the "90-Day Challenge" from Perry Noble and NewSpring Church.



Next post: Watchdog will issue his own "Challenge" to members of Newspring Church, so stay tuned!!



FBC Jax Watchdogs: Perry Noble is Latest to Offer "90-Day Money Back Guarantee" on the Tithe

[LivnForChrist]

[WKUHilltopper]

So I wonder how that financial plan for brothers and sisters in Chinese and middle eastern prisons are working out? Or maybe those who've been burned out of their homes or murdered for the sake of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? 10%?? I'd say those folks are giving everything.

These "preachers" make me sick! Daystar? More like Wormwood TV.

[billiefan2000]

So I wonder how that financial plan for brothers and sisters in Chinese and middle eastern prisons are working out?

Or maybe those who've been burned out of their homes or murdered for the sake of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? 10%?? I'd say those folks are giving everything.

These "preachers" make me sick! Daystar? More like Wormwood TV.

that's a good question.

it's a question the prosperity gospel peddlers wont answer cause their greed gospel falls apart once if you ask that question