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    Bart D Ehrman: Parts of Bible's New Testament written by 'pretend apostles' | Mail Online

    Was the Bible forged? Author claims some New Testament books were written by 'people pretending to be apostles'
    By Daily Mail Reporter


    A work of fiction? Bart D Ehrman claims several New Testament books were actually written by people pretending to be apostles


    Parts of the Bible were written by people who lied about their identity, an author has claimed.


    Bart D Ehrman claims many books of the New Testament were forged by people pretending to be the apostles Peter, Paul or James.


    Writing in the Huffington Post, Professor Ehrman, best selling author of 'Misquoting Jesus' and 'Jesus, Interrupted', said religious scholars were well aware of the 'lies' of the Bible.
    While some were happy to acknowledge them others refer to them as 'pseudepigrapha' - meaning a falsely attributed work -, he wrote.

    In his new book , Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are, Professor Ehrman claims The Second Epistle of Peter - or 2 Peter - was forged.
    '...scholars everywhere - except for our friends among the fundamentalists - will tell you that there is no way on God's green earth that Peter wrote the book.

    'Someone else wrote it claiming to be Peter,' he writes.
    He then suggests scholars who say it was acceptable in the ancient world for someone to write a book in the name of someone else, are wrong.
    'If you look at what ancient people actually said about the practice, you'll see that they invariably called it lying and condemned it as a deceitful practice, even in Christian circles,' Professor Ehrman writes.
    Many scholars think six of the 13 letters allegedly written by Paul were actually authored by somebody else claiming to be Paul, Professor Ehrman claims.
    Assumed identity: Professor Ehrman claims someone posing as St Peter, right, wrote 2 Peter, and another posing as St Paul, left, wrote six of his 13 letters

    'In the ancient world, books like that were labelled as pseudoi - lies,' he writes.

    Professor Ehrman also claims the author of the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be Paul but in actual fact was someone living after Paul had died.
    The author then used the apostle's name to address a problem he saw in church, according to Professor Ehrman.

    'Women were speaking out, exercising authority and teaching men. That had to stop,' he writes.

    Agenda: Professor Erhman claims whoever wrote 1 Timothy was trying to put women in their place by citing the garden of Eden as an example of what can happen when women are in charge


    'The author told women to be silent and submissive, and reminded his readers about what happened the first time a woman was allowed to exercise authority over a man, in that little incident in the garden of Eden.

    'No, the author argued, if women wanted to be saved, they were to have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15).'
    Paul is known as one of history's great misogynists, largely based on this passage from the Bible.

    But Professor Ehrman argues this label is not necessarily justified because he wasn't the one to write it.

    'And why does it matter? Because the passage is still used by church leaders today to oppress and silence women,' writes Professor Ehrman.

    'Why are there no women priests in the Catholic Church? Why are women not allowed to preach in conservative evangelical churches? Why are there churches today that do not allow women even to speak?

    'In no small measure it is because Paul allegedly taught that women had to be silent, submissive and pregnant.

    'Except that the person who taught this was not Paul, but someone lying about his identity so that his readers would think he was Paul.'
    Professor Ehrman then goes on to write how the Bible is actually filled with the need for 'truth' but many of its writers were telling a lie.



    'It appears that some of the New Testament writers, such as the authors of 2 Peter, 1 Timothy and Ephesians, felt they were perfectly justified to lie in order to tell the truth,' he writes.

    'But we today can at least evaluate their claims and realise just how human, and fallible, they were.'


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    Default Re: Bart D Ehrman: Parts of Bible's New Testament wri(and my comment to a Omaha church who loves Ehr

    bart ehrman is the ucc's favorite theologian

    (or at least one ucc church in omaha does since they only uses his books and never the bible for sunday school classes


    my comment to First Unitarian Congregational Church of Omaha Nebraska

    (or First Central Congregational Church of Omaha Nebraska as they actually call themselves

    how bout using stuff by Ken Ham or Norm Geisler or Lee Strobel sometime in ur sunday school classes.


    First Central Congregational Church just like Countryside Community Church (another UCC church) and First United Methodist Church of Omaha

    which claim to be open minded spirtually only use guys like Ehrman and Spong and Marcus Borg and the Emergents books for sunday school.

    how bout using Lee Strobel or Norm Geisler (or would that be being too open minded for these 3 theologically progressive and universalist peddling churches



    p.s. for the members of First Central Congregational Church of Omaha Nebraska

    Countryside Community Church of Omaha Nebraska

    First United Methodist Church of Omaha Nebraska

    to have their spirtual blindness to be removed from them and they find a bible believing church

    cause these 3 churches are knowingly pushing just one side

    and are knowingly pushing people like Ehrman who knock down christianity and the bible


    and I :cry: for some folks who I know go to these 3 "churches" cause they are in spirtual blindness and are afraid to see the truth
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    Default Re: Bart D Ehrman: Parts of Bible's New Testament wri(and my comment to a Omaha church who loves Ehr

    Gee, anyone can make mere assertions but where is the evidence for his claims. There is no support for his claims-none.

    If this were brought before a court of law, they would dismiss it

    Jesus backed up his claims that all the bible says is true, He also said that He would give us(New Testament believers) the Holy Spirit and He the Spirit of Truth would lead and guide us into all truth--John 16:13.--With respect to the New Testament, Jesus promised His apostles that “the Holy Spirit shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” (John 14:26).

    Therefore, during the first century, the apostles who had been with Christ, had witnessed His resurrection and had received these promises, gradually wrote down the Gospels and Epistles which now comprise the New Testament. These were readily received and recognized by the early Christians as inspired Scripturescontrary to what Mr Ehrman has asserted. The apostles claimed that these writings were divinely inspired and authoritative, and true Christians have always accepted them as such.

    Paul passed down what he had RECEIVED AS OF FIRST IMPORTANCE-1 Cor.15:3

    Also, there is no question that Peter affirms that Paul's writings belong to the category of ALL Scripture. Peter puts Paul's writings on the same level as Scripture. Paul claims God as final Authority-(2 Tim. 3:15-17 and Peter in 2 Peter 3:14-16 2nd's the motion. The authority of Scripture is grounded on the authority of Christ.

    Jesus is God and since Jesus said Scripture cannot error, then that means it is incapable of error. -Matthew 22:29

    And you're right billiefan2000, if they're going to have theologians, why are they cherry picking

    It's obvious what is going on. Most of these people are trying to justify their lifestyles and they will believe anything or anyone who fits their beliefs. They don't want to know the truth but only what they want to hear and they will find any excuse they can to do so. Then there are those who are just pure out lazy and gullible and will believe any man over God.

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    Default Re: Bart D Ehrman: Parts of Bible's New Testament wri(and my comment to a Omaha church who loves Ehr

    Some people are just downright disgusting

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    Where's his proof?

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    Quote Originally Posted by myinnuendo999 View Post
    Jesus is God and since Jesus said Scripture cannot error, then that means it is incapable of error. -Matthew 22:29

    And you're right billiefan2000, if they're going to have theologians, why are they cherry picking

    It's obvious what is going on. Most of these people are trying to justify their lifestyles and they will believe anything or anyone who fits their beliefs.

    They don't want to know the truth but only what they want to hear and they will find any excuse they can to do so. Then there are those who are just pure out lazy and gullible and will believe any man over God.


    that I what I have suspected and known about


    First Central Congregational Church of Omaha Nebraska

    and just like Countryside Community Church (another UCC church) and First United Methodist Church of Omaha


    these people are trying to justify their lifestyles and they will believe anything or anyone who fits their beliefs.


    it is 2 Timothy 4:3-4 mentality that is actually happening at these 3 churches and other liberal and apostate churches across the usa and across the world.
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