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    Another Sad Case of Apostasy
    By Dr. David Reagan

    Sometime during the summer of 1983, when Lamb & Lion Ministries was only three years old, a strange man stopped by our offices and asked to speak to me. He introduced himself as Vendyl Jones, and then he smiled and said, "I'm the original Indiana Jones." He was referring, of course, to the main character in the very popular movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark, which was released in 1981.

    When I asked him what he meant by his remark, he explained that he had been searching for the Ark of the Covenant for several years and that the main character in the Raiders movie had been modeled after him. I didn't know whether he was kidding or not, but one thing became very clear, very fast: he was obsessed with finding the Ark of the Covenant.

    After listening to him ramble on and on about the Ark and how essential it was to the building of the Third Temple, I finally found an opportunity to say a few words. I told him I did not think the discovery of the Ark was essential at all to the building of the Temple. When he asked why, I explained that the Ark was never in the Second Temple (the temple in the time of Jesus), and that it is not mentioned in the book of Ezekiel as being in the future Millennial Temple. Furthermore, I pointed out that Jeremiah prophesied that during the Millennium, "the ark shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they miss it, nor shall it be made again" (Jeremiah 3:16).

    At that point, Mr. Jones lost interest in talking with me. He didn't try to argue. He just got up and left, and he left me wondering who he was and how he had found out about me. After all, my ministry was only three years old and was known to very few people.

    In the following years, I kept running across Vendyl Jones in the news, and none of it was good. I discovered that he was an apostate Christian who had denounced the deity of Jesus and had become a leader in the Noahide Movement, a group that claims that Gentiles can be saved by following the laws of Noah as revealed in Genesis 9:1-17.

    The Path to Apostasy

    Vendyl Jones was born in 1930 in Sudan, Texas (in West Texas between Amarillo and Lubbock). He was raised in a Baptist home and accepted Jesus as his Savior at the age of 16. He decided to enter the ministry, and in order to pursue that goal, he attended classes at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, before transferring to the now-defunct Bible Baptist Seminary in Dallas where he earned two divinity degrees.

    In 1955 at age 25 he became pastor of Dugan Chapel Baptist Church in Elizabethton, Tennessee. He claims that while studying the Bible there, he came across Matthew 27:25 where it is recorded that the Jewish people cried out to Pilate that the blood of Jesus "be on us and our children." He said there was a marginal note in his Bible that stated this passage was not in the oldest manuscripts. That deeply disturbed him. The more he thought about it, the more he became convinced that there was an anti-Semitic conspiracy among the early Church fathers to manipulate the Scriptures to put the blame for the death of Jesus on the Jewish people.

    Jones resigned his pastorate in 1956 and moved to Greenville, South Carolina, where he started studying with a Jewish Rabbi. And thus began his journey into apostasy. Over the ensuing years, he rejected the virgin birth of Jesus, denied the deity of Jesus, declared all His miracles to be a sham, and scoffed at Jesus' resurrection.

    He also embraced a form of Dual Covenant Theology, arguing that the Jews can be saved by following the Mosaic Covenant and that Gentiles can be saved by following the Laws of Noah.

    Many times he was asked what Bible he was using when he discovered the notation that Matthew 27:25 was not in any of the oldest manuscripts, because that simply is not true. He would never reveal which version it was (because it doesn't exist!).

    Shifting His Focus to Israel

    In 1967 he moved his family to Israel in order to study at Hebrew University. Over the next four decades, he split his time between doing archaeological digs in Israel and touring the U.S. to raise money for the digs. He made two discoveries that captured headlines. One was a jug of oil he found near Qumran that he claimed was the anointing oil used at the Jerusalem Temple. The second was some red dirt that he claimed contained the 11 spices used in the Temple incense. Neither of these finds were ever endorsed by professional archaeologists.

    Vendyl Jones died on December 27, 2010, at the age of 80 after suffering several months from throat cancer. Sadly, he left behind a legacy of having "trampled under foot the Son of God" and having "insulted the Spirit of grace" (Hebrews 10:29).

    Matthew 27:25 is not an anti-Semitic blood libel. It is simply an historical recording of what Jews shouted at the trial of Jesus. Its implications were more than offset by the incredible words that Jesus spoke from the Cross: "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing" (Luke 23:34).

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    That is just so sad.

    thanks for sharing Chris

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    It really shows how a person can grab a partial truth which turns every thing around. Wonder what is in a person's make-up that causes these errors?

    Yes it is sad and tragically it can cause much damage to believers because there are so many believers that do not have a firm grasp of the Truth.

    Lord protect Your Word and Your people.
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    It is very easy to speak things of which we are convinced but which are not scriptural. We continually have to submit ourselves to God and be willing to surrender even our most cherished beliefs if we find they do not line up PERFECTLY with ALL scripture.

    NOTHING is more important than that for someone who names the name of Christ. Absolutely NOTHING can supersede God's revealed Word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfivefour View Post
    It is very easy to speak things of which we are convinced but which are not scriptural. We continually have to submit ourselves to God and be willing to surrender even our most cherished beliefs if we find they do not line up PERFECTLY with ALL scripture.

    NOTHING is more important than that for someone who names the name of Christ. Absolutely NOTHING can supersede God's revealed Word.
    Oh Matt, you are so right! It is so critically important to accept Scripture, to permit ourselves to be confined by the boundaries of the Word, even if we don't readily understand some point with which we struggle. I think it is safe to say that all apostasy is birthed at a point of struggle when the Word seems somehow insufficient. The devil doesn't care what works as long as it does work, which is why it is so important to be careful when we run up against some difficulty we don't understand well. That fool satan will push us hard sometimes, and it is so critically important to take a stand on the Word until things make sense, and sometimes that can take a long time. It took me seven years, for example, to understand how the Word teaches us absolutely everything we need to know about demons, which is very simply, don't let 'em influence us! Scripture has plenty to say about what happens if we do fall under the influence of demons, and quite simply, that is all we need to know. Scripture tells us exactly what kind of ideas satan pushes, what happens if we fall for it, and what we should be doing in the way of serving the Living God instead, and why thats a good idea.

    Great find Chris. I had thought maybe the Arc was important to the Third Temple. Now I know its not, and that fact may well be important sometime soon.

    Praise the Holy Lord! He is always so thorough in preparing us for the next challenges we must face in these troubled times! Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God Almighty! Heaven and Earth are full of His Glory! Blessed is he who comes in the Name Of The Lord! Amen!
    Psalm 73:28

    28 But as for me, it is good to be near God.
    I have made the Sovereign Lord my refuge;
    I will tell of all your deeds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg View Post
    Oh Matt, you are so right! It is so critically important to accept Scripture, to permit ourselves to be confined by the boundaries of the Word, even if we don't readily understand some point with which we struggle. I think it is safe to say that all apostasy is birthed at a point of struggle when the Word seems somehow insufficient. The devil doesn't care what works as long as it does work, which is why it is so important to be careful when we run up against some difficulty we don't understand well. That fool satan will push us hard sometimes, and it is so critically important to take a stand on the Word until things make sense, and sometimes that can take a long time. It took me seven years, for example, to understand how the Word teaches us absolutely everything we need to know about demons, which is very simply, don't let 'em influence us! Scripture has plenty to say about what happens if we do fall under the influence of demons, and quite simply, that is all we need to know. Scripture tells us exactly what kind of ideas satan pushes, what happens if we fall for it, and what we should be doing in the way of serving the Living God instead, and why thats a good idea.

    Great find Chris. I had thought maybe the Arc was important to the Third Temple. Now I know its not, and that fact may well be important sometime soon.

    Praise the Holy Lord! He is always so thorough in preparing us for the next challenges we must face in these troubled times! Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God Almighty! Heaven and Earth are full of His Glory! Blessed is he who comes in the Name Of The Lord! Amen!
    Meg you are soooo right. We must accept the entirety of Scriptures. If we ignore something we can lose the whole message. If we don't accept literally then God isn't the author and infact does not exist. It is all or nothing. But just because I deny God does not eliminate God. 39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. Acts 5:39 (KJV)
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    Yes....The HOLY SPIRIT REVEALS JESUS CHRIST to the lost blind sinner....and it is a SUPERNATURAL WORK of GOD..out of HIS IMMENSE GRACE,and LOVE and MERCY.

    WHO needs THE ARK or any other thing ONCE one is BEEN BORN AGAIN by THE SPIRIT OF GOD?
    THE LORD JESUS is OUR TRUE ARK...the NOAH's ARK and THE ARK of THE COVENANT TOO....
    I really really HATE RELIGION....
    I love people BUT I HATE RELIGION....
    I care very little if it the Jewish Religion or the Evangelical or the Roman Catholic Religion....
    RELIGION BRINGS BONDAGE,RELIGION BLINDS YOU and HARDEN YOUR HEART..IT KILLS YOU!!!!
    Wonderful JESUS ,THE LIVING GOD,THE SON of GOD,GOD THE SON HIMSELF CAME not to establish RELIGION...HE did NOT create even "christian"religion..HE CAME TO ABOLISH RELIGION and TO BRING LIFE to DEAD SINNERS and TO CREATE SONS and DAUGHTERS of GOD so that we can KNOW THE FATHER and BECOME HIS CHILDREN ,ADOPTED CHILDREN in JESUS,having THE SIN PROBLEM SOLVED once and for all,THANKS to HIS DEATH and RESURRECTION....

    WHO needs a wooden box? Who needs a wooden cross? Who needs ANYTHING really,once WE HAVE JESUS???

    We cannot become members of HIS FAMILY by participating to ANY RITUAL of the CHURCH,THE SYNAGOGUE or THE TEMPLE or WHATEVER..WE HAVE TO BE BORN INTO THE FAMILY of THE FATHER and that happens BY BELIEVING EXCLUSIVELY TO JESUS....HE IS OUR LORD the rest counts....ZERO!!!!





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    Quote Originally Posted by jesuschangesall View Post
    Yes....The HOLY SPIRIT REVEALS JESUS CHRIST to the lost blind sinner....and it is a SUPERNATURAL WORK of GOD..out of HIS IMMENSE GRACE,and LOVE and MERCY.

    WHO needs THE ARK or any other thing ONCE one is BEEN BORN AGAIN by THE SPIRIT OF GOD?
    THE LORD JESUS is OUR TRUE ARK...the NOAH's ARK and THE ARK of THE COVENANT TOO....
    I really really HATE RELIGION....
    I love people BUT I HATE RELIGION....
    I care very little if it the Jewish Religion or the Evangelical or the Roman Catholic Religion....
    RELIGION BRINGS BONDAGE,RELIGION BLINDS YOU and HARDEN YOUR HEART..IT KILLS YOU!!!!
    Wonderful JESUS ,THE LIVING GOD,THE SON of GOD,GOD THE SON HIMSELF CAME not to establish RELIGION...HE did NOT create even "christian"religion..HE CAME TO ABOLISH RELIGION and TO BRING LIFE to DEAD SINNERS and TO CREATE SONS and DAUGHTERS of GOD so that we can KNOW THE FATHER and BECOME HIS CHILDREN ,ADOPTED CHILDREN in JESUS,having THE SIN PROBLEM SOLVED once and for all,THANKS to HIS DEATH and RESURRECTION....

    WHO needs a wooden box? Who needs a wooden cross? Who needs ANYTHING really,once WE HAVE JESUS???

    We cannot become members of HIS FAMILY by participating to ANY RITUAL of the CHURCH,THE SYNAGOGUE or THE TEMPLE or WHATEVER..WE HAVE TO BE BORN INTO THE FAMILY of THE FATHER and that happens BY BELIEVING EXCLUSIVELY TO JESUS....HE IS OUR LORD the rest counts....ZERO!!!!




    Oh dear Roberto, I sooo agree!! (Yea, Matt, one thing I am totally NOT is a "theologian").

    For all I love your illustration of the Arc, Roberto, I got to wondering when I saw this thread if someone's going to come up with some fake Arc and use that as "proof" that the AC is "legit". Something like that sure would work in his favor among those who refuse to be confined by Scripture...

    Be sober minded and very alert, people. These are very strange times we are living in...
    Psalm 73:28

    28 But as for me, it is good to be near God.
    I have made the Sovereign Lord my refuge;
    I will tell of all your deeds.


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    just an aside, I watched a documentary which said that the ark of the covenant was in a place in or near tibet and that it was guarded 24/7, will leave it up to you as to what you think of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daygo View Post
    just an aside, I watched a documentary which said that the ark of the covenant was in a place in or near tibet and that it was guarded 24/7, will leave it up to you as to what you think of that.
    Well according to another documentary, the Ethiopians have it, and according to the book Of Jeremiah, its probably in Jordan. Ya think maybe there's more than one...?
    Psalm 73:28

    28 But as for me, it is good to be near God.
    I have made the Sovereign Lord my refuge;
    I will tell of all your deeds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg View Post
    Well according to another documentary, the Ethiopians have it, and according to the book Of Jeremiah, its probably in Jordan. Ya think maybe there's more than one...?
    I KNOW WHERE THE ARK IS:
    IN THE SPIRIT of EVERY TRUE BORN AGAIN BELIEVER in JESUS CHRIST THE LORD SAVIOR GOD!!!
    SHALOM!

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