Rob Bell Out Of The Closet For Universalism aka Rob Bell denies John 14:6 to be literal

[billiefan2000]

ROB BELL OUT OF THE CLOSET FOR UNIVERSALISM
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Feb 25, 2011 in Current Issues

Since squishy evanjellyfish has now followed the mortally wounded mainline denominations out of the closet with its man-love of heart murmur spirituality at the expense the God-centered spirituality of sola Scriptura, Apprising Ministries has been giinge you peeks at its bleak future of division and compromise of God’s Word.

Thanks to its embracing the sinfully ecumenical neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church aka the Emerging Church—with its its “big tent” Progressive Christianity aka Emergence Christianity—and by using warped and toxic teachings of EC leaders like Emerging Church rock star pastor Rob Bell, evangelical churches poisoned its own young.

As a result we are seeing within mainstream evangelicalism a reimagined version of just about every piece of antibiblical theology i.e. doctrines of demons that seducing spirits have ever attempted to bring with them as they slither into the Christrian Church. One that is being openly promoted now is so-called Christian Universalism.

Lord willing I’ll have more on this later; but for now, I’ve told you for years now that Rob Bell embraces a form of universalism. For the person willing to be objective, the video promo for his new book dispells any doubt that Bell is teaching this heresy:

A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived.

Rob Bell addresses one of the most controversial issues of faith—the afterlife—arguing, would a loving God send people to eternal torment forever…? With searing insight, Bell puts hell on trial, and his message is decidedly hopeful—eternal life doesn’t start when we die; it starts right now. And ultimately, Love Wins. (Online source)


You can view the promo video here.

LOVE WINS. on Vimeo


ROB BELL OUT OF THE CLOSET FOR UNIVERSALISM : Apprising Ministries

[billiefan2000]

actually I am not surprised about Bell being a universalist


considering emergents such as Doug Pagitt and Brian McLaren and Tony Jones and Samir Selanovic (sp?) all openly deny John 14:6 to be literal




btw:

what does the "conservative" spinoff of the emergent church aka the acts 29 network believe when it comes to John 14:6

I am asking since many of the a29 leaders tend to be cryptic when it comes to that bible verse

that and some a29 churches across the country are into interfaith groups.

[JasonG]

I have been reading up on Rob Bell and from what I have learned so far, he is very subtle. He is definitely a universalist. He does not teach repentance. He teaches that everyone is already forgiven. That when Jesus went to the cross, that settled the debt for everyone. All we have to do is acknowledge this. Not change, not repent, just know that God loves us.

Rob Bell asks, "Are billions and billions of people going to hell and only a select few going to heaven?"

Jesus said, "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

The way I hear Rob Bell say these words, it's almost as if he is mocking the very words of Jesus.

[billiefan2000]

Rob Bell – Apostate Universalist


3 Comments Posted by Manfred on February 25, 2011




Rob Bell is “pastor” of Mars Hill “Bible church” in Grand Rapids, MI. He is coy, congenial, and evil in his deceptive lies about the word of God and the Lord Jesus.

His “Nooma” videos were the rage in many churches for a while.


He has written several books, leading shallow thinking or non-thinking people astray from Truth.


Now he is out of the closet as one who believes – as does the cult of Rome – that most folk go to Heaven,


because Rob and the pope cannot imagine a God Who is Holy and just;

nor do they believe that man is depraved and of no profit to his soul. May God have mercy on any who listen to this snake.

From Apprising.org:

ROB BELL OUT OF THE CLOSET FOR UNIVERSALISM
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Feb 25, 2011 in AM Missives, Current Issues, Emergence Christianity, Emergent Church, Features, Rob Bell, Youth Ministry

Since squishy evanjellyfish has now followed the mortally wounded mainline denominations out of the closet with its man-love of heart murmur spirituality at the expense the God-centered spirituality of sola Scriptura, Apprising Ministries has been giving you peeks at its bleak future of division and compromise of God’s Word.

Thanks to its embracing the sinfully ecumenical neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church aka the Emerging Church—with its its “big tent” Progressive Christianity aka Emergence Christianity—

and by using warped and toxic teachings of EC leaders like Emerging Church rock star pastor Rob Bell, evangelical churches poisoned its own young.



As a result we are seeing within mainstream evangelicalism a reimagined version of just about every piece of antibiblical theology

i.e. doctrines of demons that seducing spirits have ever attempted to bring with them as they slither into the Christian Church.


One that is being openly promoted now is so-called Christian Universalism.

Lord willing I’ll have more on this later; but for now, I’ve told you for years now that Rob Bell embraces a form of universalism.


For the person willing to be objective, the video promo below for his new book dispells any doubt that Bell is teaching this heresy:





Rob Bell – Apostate Universalist « Defending. Contending.

[arapahoepark]

We need to be on guard for everything anymore it seems!
So you get these articles from a website that's dedicated to discernment???

[billiefan2000]

We need to be on guard for everything anymore it seems!
So you get these articles from a website that's dedicated to discernment???

yes.



btw on a side note:

will any of the churches who have promoted NOOMA or Rob Bell 's books

publically apologize for promoting a false teacher and a known ADMITTED Universalist.




this includes Rejoice Lutheran Church of Omaha Nebraska (a ELCA church) who according to

http://www.rejoiceomaha.org/Women_re...rent_month.pdf

is using in March 2011 the NOOMA videos as a "bible study"


shame on Rejoice Lutheran Church of Omaha Nebraska for enabling the lies of Universalist ROB BELL

[billiefan2000]

ROB BELL TEACHING UNIVERSALISM
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Feb 26, 2011 in AM Missives, Current Issues, Emergence Christianity, Emergent Church, Features, Rob Bell, Youth Ministry


There is no fear of God before his eyes. For he flatters himself in his own eyes that his iniquity cannot be found out and hated. The words of his mouth are trouble and deceit; he has ceased to act wisely and do good. (Psalm 36:1-3)

The Tragic Truth About Rob Bell And His Slide Into Apostasy

Apprising Ministries has told you before that when mainstream evangelicalism embraced the sinfully ecumenical neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church aka the Emerging Church—with its its “big tent” Progressive Christianity aka Emergence Christianity—and began using warped and toxic teachings of EC leaders like Emerging Church rock star pastor Rob Bell, it began poisoning its own young.

I’ve also told you the Trojan Horse of the Emerging Church launched a full frontal attack upon the proper Christian spirituality of sola Scriptura in order for it to advance its core doctrine of highly subjective Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism (CSM) ala Living Spiritual Teacher and Quaker mystic Richard Foster, which is actually a centered on the self existentialism also advanced by Foster’s spiritual twin Dallas Willard.

Two years ago in Rob Bell And Christian Universalism I began to show you that Rob Bell is as much a universalist as his friends comprising the unholy EC trinity of apostates, Living Spiritual Teacher and EC guru Brian McLaren, universalist Emerging Church pastor Doug Pagitt, and his friend Tony Jones, the progressive “theologian in residence” at Solomon’s Porch.

Yesterday via a tip from Letter Of Marque I broke the story that in the video promo below for his new book Rob Bell Is Now Out Of The Closet For Universalism; and of course, his defenders immediately began whining this was “slander” blah, blah, blah, on my part. Well, now I point you to Rob Bell: Universalist? by Justin Taylor, who’s one the the safe “name” bloggers, so if he says it, then it’s got to be true:

It is unspeakably sad when those called to be ministers of the Word distort the gospel and deceive the people of God with false doctrine. But it is better for those teaching false doctrine to put their cards on the table (a la Brian McLaren) rather than remaining studiously ambiguous in terminology.

So on that level, I’m glad that Rob Bell has the integrity to be unambiguous about his universalism. Not just optimism about the fate of those who haven’t heard the Good News, but (as it seems from below) full-blown hell-is-empty-everyone-gets-saved universalism…

I haven’t seen the book yet and was hesitant to say something based on the publisher’s description (which usually isn’t written by the author). But this video from Bell himself shows that he is moving farther and farther away from anything resembling biblical Christianity… (Online source)

The Lord be praised for His grace, those who read Apprising Ministries knew of this five years ago.



ROB BELL TEACHING UNIVERSALISM : Apprising Ministries

[myinnuendo999]

Rob Bell is so deceived and will be in for the shock of his life when He stands before God Almighty if he doesn't repent as God commands all men to do

[billiefan2000]

Sola Sisters: Heads Up, Christian Parents: Rob Bell Is Teaching "Christian Universalism" to Youth Group Kids

Heads Up, Christian Parents: Rob Bell Is Teaching "Christian Universalism" to Youth Group Kids
LOVE WINS. from Rob Bell on Vimeo.



Time magazine has designated Rob Bell a "rock star in the church world." The Church Report Magazine (TheChurchReport.com),


ranked Bell #10 on their list of "The 50 Most Influential Christians in America." Bell's books and NOOMA videos sell by the thousands.


The Chicago Sun Times wrote an article comparing Bell's influence to that of Billy Graham ("The Next Billy Graham?").



Christian parents, if you have never heard Rob Bell's name before, just ask your kids. Because I can almost guarantee you that even if they haven't read his books, their friends have. And why is this frightening?



Because Rob Bell is a big, big, BIG leader in a new movement sweeping through our young people today called "Christian Universalism."



Yes, you read that right, and yes, "Christian Universalism" is an oxymoron.


But nonetheless, with leaders like Rob Bell leading the way, many of today's church-going youth have slowly been seduced into believing this false teaching,

usually using Colossians 1:19-20 (out of context, of course) as their "proof-text." (Read more about "Christian Universalism" here.)




Transcript of Rob Bell's speaking in his promotional video for his new book:

"Several years ago we had an art show at our church and people brought in all kinds of sculptures and paintings and we put them on display.

And there was this one piece that had a quote from Gandhi in it and lots of people found this piece compelling. They would stop and sort of stare at it and take it in and reflect on it.

But not everybody found it that compelling.

Somewhere in the course of the art show, somebody attached a handwritten note to the piece. And on the note they had written "Reality check, he's in Hell."


Gandhi's in Hell? He is? And someone knows this for sure?

And felt the need to let the rest of us know? Will only a few select people make it to Heaven? And will billions and billions of people burn forever in Hell?


And if that's the case how do you become one of the few? Is it what you believe or what you say or what you do or who you know? Or something that happens in your heart or do you need to be initiated or baptized or take a class or converted or being born again?


How does one become one of these few? And then there is the question behind the questions. The real question; what is God like? Because millions and millions were taught that the primary message, the center of the Gospel of Jesus is that God is going to send you to Hell unless you believe in Jesus.


And so what gets subtly sort of caught and taught is that Jesus rescues you from God. But what kind of God is that that we would need to be rescued from this God?


How could that God ever be good? How could that God ever be trusted? And how could that ever be "Good News?"




This is why lots of people want nothing to do with the Christian faith.

They see it has an endless list of absurdities and inconsistencies and they say why would I ever want to be a part of that?

You see what we believe about Heaven and Hell is incredibly important because it exposes what we believe about who God is and what God is like.


What you discover in the Bible is so surprising and unexpected and beautiful that whatever we've been told or taught, the Good News is actually better than that, better than we could ever imagine.


The Good News is that Love Wins."

[billiefan2000]

btw:

to the folks in the willow creek association churches in omaha nebraska area who are trying to defend bell


and to certain churches in gretna nebraska


Bell has said he's a universalist, what more proof do u need to stop promoting the guy?

[billiefan2000]

http://www.renderingtruth.com/2011/0...wins-a-sermon/

Rob Bell and Universalism: Love Wins – A Sermon
Posted by Rob in Apologetics, Audio Sermons, Berean Baptist Church, Christian Universalism, Heresy, Rob Bell, sermons on Mar 1st, 2011 | 0 comments
On 2-27-2011, I preached the Sunday AM service at Berean Baptist Church in Mobile, AL where I pastor.

I don’t normally preach sermons like this, but I was so agitated in my spirit by the Christian Universalism that’s being spread by the likes of Rob Bell and Tony Jones, that I felt compelled to warn my church about this heresy.


Click Here to listen to the audio of the sermon.

It’s 28 minutes and 52 seconds.


http://www.renderingtruth.com/wp-con...iversalism.mp3

Friends, what Rob Bell is teaching is wrong. It goes against core Christian doctrine. It contradicts Christ. He twists Scripture. Rob Bell ‘reimages’ Christ into something that he is not.



I IMPLORE you to copy this sermon. Duplicate it. Burn it on CD’s. Give it to friends and family members. Post it on blogs, forums, websites. Send it in emails.


Just get the message out, not so that I would be promoted, but that God’s Word would go forth, and that people who are being seduced by this damnable doctrine would come to their senses.

Soli Deo Gloria!

[arapahoepark]

I should totally open up a blog about this! Though not this week I am so busy

[billiefan2000]

Todd Friel on Rob Bell

[abiathar]

Rob Bell is dangerous. I have watched most of the Nooma series and there is a subtle deception that creeps in from time to time. This guy really annoys me!! Forgive me Jesus but i want to slap him

[arapahoepark]

Who is with me in starting a blog to put posts of people like this and tell people to stay away from them? All this stuff is making me so angry, I can't believe people just come up with their own interpretations.

[myinnuendo999]

In one of Rob Bell’s videos he begs the question by asserting a false conclusion at the beginning of his premise- when He says -- “that the primary message, the center of the gospel of Jesus, is that God is going to send you to hell, unless you believe in Jesus”--That's a LIE

Whether knowingly or unknowingly That's not the gospel according to Scripture, that’s not from the bible anywhere and that is not the God of the Bible.

The God of the Bible does not send anyone to hell, we are ALREADY going to hell-Jn3:18. Starting in –John 3:16 Please(peruse)- very carefully read– “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 “Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe STANDS CONDEMNED ALREADY because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

The Bible implicity states that we are already going to hell–(already condemned)vs.18- and God in his great love provided one way by sacrificing His One and Only Son who paid the price for our sins so that (IF)–condition and responsibility on our part to respond to the Gospel according to Scripture-1 Cor.15,, we would repent and believe in Jesus to save us he would save us and we would not go to hell.

Also, Bell's argument along with all universalists is always very onesided-emphatic fallacy which makes it once again spurious. Their God is a God of love. They never emphasize that God is Just, God is Holy, and that God is righteous. The problem with this is, people have created a god that doesn't even exist and so Bell's god is powerless to save because he has created a god of his own imagination.

the utterly sad thing is, he's misleading truckloads of people with him on the broad path to hell...

[arapahoepark]

the utterly sad thing is, he's misleading truckloads of people with him on the broad path to hell...

it's too bad!

anyway, kinda off topic a bit in the forum. What is the best way to evangelize? Many people were saved in the great awakening by Jonathan Edwards, Wesley, and Whitfield and they said it's because they preached sin. But doesn't that also turn people away?
I am like getting mixed messages on that.

[billiefan2000]

Monday, March 7, 2011Rob Bell's New Book: Don't Call It Universalism
This whole Rob Bell thing has been a brain puzzler. That guy, he's a slippery one, for sure. But for those of you who have maybe been out of the country or perhaps fasting from social media over the last few weeks, this is what has been going on inside of evangelicalism...

Rob Bell, a leader in the postmodern emergent church movement and "a rock star in the church world," recently released a video discussing his upcoming new book "Love Wins." This video has gotten everybody all a-lather (and a-twitter), over what appears to be an apologetics defense for Universalism. So Christian bloggers, pastors and leaders immediately started getting out there, calling this out, and naming by name what they think this is: Universalism.

But here's the deal: yes, Rob Bell IS a Universalist - only not in the classic sense. What I mean by that is I think Bell believes - à la The Shack - in Universal Reconciliation. The difference is subtle, but, once this book is actually released, the difference is going to be enough for Bell (and all of his supporters) to slam those who are calling him out on Universalism for being alarmists and haters. And why? Because Universal Reconciliationists often use Christian terminology and claim to hold to certain Christian concepts. Like I said, the difference is subtle.

So what I suspect is that, in this new book, Bell will affirm that.....

- Absolutely, Jesus had to suffer and die on the cross. (When what he really believes about the cross, if he is a Universal Reconciliationist, is that for us to think that this implies exclusiveness is narrow-minded because everybody gets there in the end anyway.)
- Absolutely, there is a hell. (When what he really believes about hell - again, if he is a Universal Reconciliationst - is that there is some kind of purgatorial, burning-off-of-sins form of hell, but after that - of course - everybody gets to heaven).
So I have a suggestion about how to approach the Rob Bell thing so that maybe - just maybe - we evangelicals have at least a shot at being heard on this. We need to call this what it is - Universal Reconciliation - and we need to know the difference between this and Universalism, so that when the verbal body slams start coming as soon as the book is released (March 15), we won't have egg on our faces and look foolish when Bell and his peeps start mocking us for saying he's denying hell and Jesus and the cross.

So let's look at Universalism, that is to say, the straight up, New Age, Oprah kind of Universalism that most people have at lease some understanding of:

UNIVERSALISM: ALL paths leads to God. You can be a Muslim, Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Jew, whatever, and you get to God through your own path, whatever that looks like according to your faith tradition. Absolutely no Jesus necessary. (Please note that this is the main point that distinguishes Universalism from Universal Reconciliation)

In the strictest sense of Universalism, neither the cross nor any form of hell are affirmed.

And now Universal Reconciliation:

UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION (also called CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM): ALL people are ultimately saved through Christ. They may not have a complete understanding of who Christ is, but in some way, the suffering and crucifixion of Jesus Christ constitutes the mechanism that provides redemption for all humanity and makes atonement for all sins. A limited form of hell is sometimes held to, but not always.
As Todd Friel of Wretched Radio/TV recently pointed out on a great video clip, Rob Bell should have never become a problem, not if our pastors and leaders had been willing to do the hard thing, and step up and name names and call out false teachers before they - and their heresies - became full-blown.



But most of them didn't, sad to say, and the result of this has been that false teachers like Rob Bell,


a postmodern hipster who has always made it his goal to be culturally relevant

and thus appeal to the youth, has captured an entire generation of young people with his damnable heresies.



Brothers and sisters, and especially,



Christian parents: Let's please try to get ahead of this one so that we will be equipped and ready to answer back to Bell's lies.

"And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Rev. 20:15



Rob Bell’s New Book: Don’t Call It Universalism at Christian Research Net

[arapahoepark]

Dang!

I think maybe the emergent church IS THE GREAT APOSTASY!

[billiefan2000]

LATEST ON FIRESTORM AROUND ROB BELL : Apprising Ministries

LATEST ON FIRESTORM AROUND ROB BELL
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Mar 8, 2011 in AM Missives, Current Issues, Emergence Christianity, Emergent Church, Features, Rob Bell, Youth Ministry

Evangelical churches began using warped and toxic teachings of leaders in the sinfully ecumenical neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church aka the Emerging Church—with its “big tent” Progressive Christianity aka Emergence Christianity—such as EC rock star pastor Rob Bell,


so for years now they’ve been poisoning their own young, and have advanced Bell right into the very heart of the church visible.


Another indication of widespread apostasy is that Rob Bell is now considered an evangelical; but now the question: Is Rob Bell Evangelical?



A couple of years ago, even before he wrote his new book Love Wins and did the controversial promo video, which you can see in Transcript Of Love Wins Video Of Rob Bell, I laid out for you where Bell’s personal practice of Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism would eventually lead him, as it does all stripes of so-called Christian mystics: Rob Bell And Christian Universalism.


In New Book May Cause Rift At Mars Hill Bible Church Of Rob Bell I told that “many” there are quite concerned about this book.

Numerous sources have now confirmed that there will be “a church meeting next Sun, March 13 in the evening to discuss the book.” It’s only for “covenant members only by invitation” and apparently people “must register and be approved to attend” this question and answer session. I’m being told “many” are seriously wondering if Rob Bell is a universalist. As I’ve said before, I actually don’t think he is; I offer that Bell’s already been leaning toward this Christian Universalism, which is also known as Universal Reconciliation/Redemption.

For those who do believe this heresy—with its false gospel—there is a literal hell; but they dream, after each is punished temporally eventually hell will be empty. You need to understand that with postmodern mystics like Rob Bell we are entering deeply into the world of Humpty Dumpty Language, where words often appear to take shape without any real fixed meaning because (at best) Bell is neo-orthodox, not evangelical, and bends and reshapes Christian terminology to fit whatever audience he’s speaking to.

I need to remind you of something Christian apologist Dr. Walter Martin (1928-1989) said concerning Scaling the Language Barrier in his classic textbook The Kingdom of the Cults. How sad that now even within mainstream evangelicalism we’re seeing that it’s become necessary for us to follow the advice below, which was originally being given re. witnessing to non-Christian cultists.

To be able to insure that we are understanding each other Dr. Martin says of the wise Christian:

1 He must strive to direct the conversation to the problem of terminology and maneuver the cult adherent into a position where he must define his usage of terms and his authority, if any, for drastic, unbiblical redefinitions, which are certain to emerge;

2 The Christian must then compare these “definitions” with the various contexts of the verses upon which the cultist draws support of his doctrinal interpretations;

3 He must define the words “interpretation,” “historic orthodoxy,” and standard doctrinal phrases such as “the new birth,” “the Atonement,” “context,” “exegesis,” “eternal judgment,” etc., so that no misunderstanding will exist when these things come under discussion, as they inevitably will;… [1]

So, keeping this all in mind, note carefully the following wisdom from Dr. John MacArthur:

Neo-orthodoxy is the term used to identify an existentialist variety of Christianity. Because it denies the essential objective basis of truth—the absolute truth and authority of Scripture—neo-orthodoxy must be understood as pseudo-Christianity… Neo-orthodoxy’s attitude toward Scripture is a microcosm of the entire existentialist philosophy: the Bible itself is not objectively the Word of God, but it becomes the Word of God when it speaks to me individually.

In neo-orthodoxy, that same subjectivism is imposed on all the doctrines of historic Christianity. Familiar terms are used, but are redefined or employed in such a way that is purposely vague—not to convey objective meaning, but to communicate a subjective symbolism… Thus while neo-orthodox theologians often sound as if they affirming traditional beliefs, their actual system differs radically from the historic understanding of the Christian faith. By denying the objectivity of truth, they relegate all theology to the realm of subjective relativism.

It is a theology perfectly suited for the age in which we live. And that is precisely why it is so deadly…[2]

What I highlighted above couldn’t describe Rob Bell any clearer. This is what you need to realize as younger evangelicals get set to ride the lightening of Bell’s forthcoming book; it’s not simply Emergents or those in the Emerging Church who’re jumping to Bell’s defense, though they are supportive, it’s younger sectors of your mainstream evangelical churches leading the charge. Today CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor Eric Marrapodi tells us in his piece Firestorm grows over ‘Christian heresy’ book:

The firestorm around Rob Bell has grown considerably in the last week. Now the leadership of his Mars Hill Bible Church is rushing to his defense, and we’re learning more about the fight to publish his controversial new book… The controversy even caught the staff at Bell’s church off-guard. On Sunday, Brian Mucchi, an assistant pastor, told the church they knew a controversy could come, they just didn’t expect it to come so soon, according to a church member who was at the service but did not want to be identified.

Mucchi told congregants at Mars Hill Bible Church in Grandville, Michigan, the church Bell founded, that the entire leadership team had read the book and was excited about its release…


Shane Hipps, Mars Hill Bible Church’s teaching pastor, addressed the congregation about the book before he preached on Sunday… “


We are not anxious about this at all.


Because I promise you when you get to read the book, you will find that it is fresh and liberating ─


but that it rests firmly in the wide screen of Orthodox Christianity and in the history of Christianity it fits perfectly.


You will be very much at ease,” he said.
(Online source)





That remains to be seen; but considering Hipps’ mystic dreaming


that all humans “contain a spark of the divine,” i.e. all mankind is already indwelt by God, “including Bin Laden,”


likely we’re closer to apostate Eastern Orthodoxy because already Shane Hipps And Rob Bell Are Teaching Heresy.



I’m not at liberty to divluge exactly what sources inside Mars Hill Bible Church are telling me; but the Lord knows, Hipps and Bell are drifting in the direction of Hell—and they’re taking along all the fools who listen to them.