Glenn Beck Rally Causes Even More Evangelical Confusion

[billiefan2000]

Glenn Beck Rally Causes Even More Evangelical Confusion
Posted by Ingrid Schlueter in Mormonism, Religion on August 30th, 2010 | one response
The Christian Post reports on a megachurch pastor who defends his participation at the Glenn Beck rally this past weekend. The pastor says it’s all OK to support Beck’s spiritual agenda (Beck is a Mormon) because Glenn referenced the atonement. But Brannon Howse of Worldview Weekend is pointing out the spiritual confusion sown by Glenn Beck. A biblically and doctrinally illiterate evangelical public that is concerned about the direction of our nation was ripe for the delusion.

Not even cardinal doctrine seems to matter any longer. Brannon will be discussing the rally more on his radio program today, heard live at 1pm Central at www.vcyamerica.com.

Here is Glenn Beck’s testimony about his conversion to Mormonism.

Here is Justin Taylor’s blog on God, Glenn Beck and the Gospel.


*Updated* Glenn Beck Rally Causes Even More Evangelical Confusion- The Crosstalk Blog

[mattfivefour]

As I have said before: "Glenn Beck is a very dangerous man."

His intentions may indeed be honorable and his beliefs well-intended, but the confusion of Christianity with Mormonism is satanically inspired and harmful to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Were Mr. Beck to clearly separate himself from Mormonism, rejecting its Luciferian beliefs and teachings, then I would have no trouble welcoming him as a brother. But instead he continues to refer to himself as a Mormon, and does nothing to put distance between himself and its anti-Christian doctrines. Indeed he continues to encourage the perception that Mormonism and Christianity are just differing ways of adhering to the same gospel.

THEY ARE NOT!!!

Satan is the most crafty of all creatures (Genesis 3:1); he is supreme in wisdom among all the created (Ezekiel 28:12); and he masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14). He rides the most subtle of lies into the Church on the coattails of truth. Thus I reiterate: Glenn Beck is a very dangerous man.

[mikhen7]

I listened to him this morning, first hour, and he mentioned he is Mormon and could not get his message across to America as a Mormon. Basically he said no one would listen. So He called the "Black Robed Brigade" on a reccomendation by David Barton. I had never heard of it till now. I guess it is made up of 25 very well-known evangelical leaders such as James Robinson and James Dobson and others. He specifically mentioned those two. After describing the atonement process to them, i.e. an identical version of what all evangelicals believe, all but 1 of the members sanctioned the Friday event with him. The one who didn't stood and said he would lose 1/2 his congregation if he did, to which Dobson, replied he did not see how anyone could not support it.

I did not hear hour two or three so that is all I heard.

God Bless.

[mattfivefour]

Well there you go. Glenn Beck has plainly and publicly said that "he is Mormon." Further, he says he allied with evangelicals because he "could not get his message across to America as a Mormon." For me, that is case closed.

I now reiterate my prayer for him from the Glenn Beck prayer thread.

[mikhen7]

And Amen!

[Robert]

I have to agree with you Adrian; honorable intentions or not, actions speak very clearly. As for myself, all I can do is pray for the man.


*offensive comment removed*

[myinnuendo999]

I totally agree

[billiefan2000]

August 30, 2010
Beck Rally Causes More Evangelical Confusion
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Over the years, Mormons in the public eye, ranging from the singing Osmond family to politicians like Mitt Romney, have not made the specifics of their faith a high profile issue.

This has not been the case recently with conservative talk show icon Glenn Beck. Beck hosted a rally at the Kennedy Center on Friday and followed up with his “Restoring Honor” rally at the National Mall in Washington on Saturday.

It’s estimated that many of the thousands of people that attended the Saturday rally were evangelical Christians.

When Beck credits the Native Americans as being God’s chosen people, he’s referencing the Mormon teaching that the Native Americans migrated here from Israel. When he encourages people to embrace phrases such as “I am that I am” and informs people to look to your higher self and find the truth within, he’s communicating New Age teachings.

Why are many evangelicals failing to see what should be obvious contradictions with the Bible? Are evangelicals apostatizing to the point that they feel we can link up with Mormons so that God can bless America?

What pastor Jim Wallace is attempting to do from his position on the “left”, Beck appears to be doing on the “right”. We see this from Beck’s verbiage that communicates his own form of social justice pluralism. This is especially troubling when you realize that Beck’s Mormonism teaches the goal of building a kingdom of God on earth.

Were this weekend’s activities a precursor to an eventual merging of the “left” and the “right”; a merging that will cause people to embrace a one-world government and one-world leader? Find out from Brannon as he ties the evidence together on this edition of Crosstalk.

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[mikhen7]

I was reading the scripture this morning and the Lord brought a passage to mind.

James 1:19,
"My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,"

Taking that passage into account I have tried to be mostly silent and not outspoken in any way about Glenn. His exposition of politics is for the most part very interesting. I believe he is sincere about not desiring to see the destruction of our nation, via socilaism. However, I know false teachers mix a lot of truth with a little error, so I wanted to be patient and wait to see the results of his intentions. So when he speaks of Jesus and truth, faith, hope, and charity I know he is getting this from the New Testament.

However, MORMONS READ the NT ALONGSIDE OF THE BOOK OF MORMON AND BELIEVE THEY ARE BOTH INSPIRED BY GOD.

That is what wrenches my gut and has many Christians reeling. Satan is already using him to tear friends apart. What really needs to be known is the the truth about Mormonism

So I thought I needed to see what dedicated Mormons thought of him. I know some do not like him but Here is what I found. I saw this posted Aug 18th on LDS Forums,

"On today's show he [Beck] talked about how Jefferson and Adams felt that Native Americans came from Jewish ancestry.... pretty interesting." I missed that one!!!!!

Also this, which makes my heart sick and drives me to pray for God to show him the true gospel all the more:

From the LDSForum at --> Anyone here going to Glenn Becks 8/28?? - Page 5 - LDS Mormon Forums
"While the speech is moving over the Internet, the 'spirit' of the speech 'in person was phenomenal.

We met a number of good folks on the Metro, traveling from the Marriott in Bethesda to the event.

One devout Catholic couple from Philadelphia were a good example of the some 650,000 who attended. She came from Polish decent, her mother was a Nazi concentration camp survivor, he was Cuban and their family were late 50's refugees from Cuba to the United States. Both had become citizens the way folks should become citizens. Both came from backgrounds of oppression and lack of freedom. Her words to all of us were these, "I believe that Glenn Beck was sent from God and that he is literally a "modern day prophet". I smiled. I told them that Glenn Beck would tell you that he is NOT a modern day prophet, but he could tell you where to find one. She looked puzzled. I then told her about the blue book in the night stand back at the Marriott. I quoted verses from Moroni chapter 7 to her. She said, "You sound just like him". I said, no, we simply preach God's word, be it in the New Testament in John or Corinthians or Moroni. It started a great gospel conversation.

I can only imagine how many thousands of others felt the same as she did.

....

There were no signs, there was no hate. There was only love, and love of God, love of country and love of Glenn Beck that brought all of us together.

Captain Moroni held up the Title of Liberty. Glenn Beck is holding out Faith, Hope and Charity.
Glenn taught thousands at the beginning of the rally about the ancestors of the Native Americans who believed in Christ. He taught of Moses. He taught about the blessings of paying tithing. It was truly worth the while to be there and see the FAITH and patriotism of true Americans who want to keep our freedoms and not have them taken away by evil doers and modern day Gadiantons who would tax us and our children because they would spend our birthright.

Some folks might not like how he does it, I'm just grateful he's doing it cuz he's the only one doing it on a national stage." Posted by Mahoroni a senior member of that forum.

So you can see there are many on the Mormon side of the fence that see exactly what Glenn is doing because it fits in with there Mormon theology of Jesus coming to the American Indians to preach the gospel. That teaching is straight out of the Heretical Book of Mormon. They believe the native americans were ancestors of the Jews.

I say all of the above to plead with the multitudes of those who know the truth, to stand IN LOVE against this man's teaching. Not Glenn, as a person, but his influencial teaching. It is so easy--so easy, to be taken in by his message about his Mormon god.

It seems the dedicated Mormon can see where he is going and they are happy. We need to pray for each other, and pray for wisdom. We need to be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry because the issue is so devisive. Many just do not understand.

God Bless you all. I post the above for awareness, it is not intended to attack, only to induce prayer and a quest for the truth.

[mattfivefour]

Thank you for your Christ-like attitude displayed in this post, Mikhen. Indeed the attack is aimed at the teaching, not the man. I have argued over and over (and have followed suit with my actions) that we need to pray for Mr. Beck. But we cannot sit idly by as he brings the legitimacy of Christianity to the false gospel of Mormonism.

Mormons will come to your door and agree with everything you say as a Christian. They will speak of the Cross, of salvation by faith in Jesus, of all of the things of Christianity. But they do not mean by those terms would we mean and what the Bible says. they have different definitions of those words and a completely different way of salvation. Now we can attempt to keep the peace and just ignore the deception of their false anti-Christian doctrine and that way nobody will be angry. But to do that would mean we are trying to please man rather than seeking to please God. And that refusal to confront the error would not be an act of love on our part but rather an act of disregard for the eternal souls of mankind. Like it or not we MUST speak out against a Satanically founded, Satanically inspired and Satanically designed religion that positively guarantees that ALL who believe it will die in their sins and will spend eternity separated from God ... indeed, eternity burning in hell!!!

Is this love??? Is this walking in love??? Is this loving my neighbor more than I love myself???

No! I would rather serve God and be rejected by every man than to serve man and be rejected by God.

I am sorry my comments have upset some people whom I hold dear. But because I love you ... and love God ... that very love constrains me to speak the truth.

[mikhen7]

Preach it Brother!

[myinnuendo999]

Thank you for your Christ-like attitude displayed in this post, Mikhen. Indeed the attack is aimed at the teaching, not the man. I have argued over and over (and have followed suit with my actions) that we need to pray for Mr. Beck. But we cannot sit idly by as he brings the legitimacy of Christianity to the false gospel of Mormonism.

Mormons will come to your door and agree with everything you say as a Christian. They will speak of the Cross, of salvation by faith in Jesus, of all of the things of Christianity. But they do not mean by those terms would we mean and what the Bible says. they have different definitions of those words and a completely different way of salvation. Now we can attempt to keep the peace and just ignore the deception of their false anti-Christian doctrine and that way nobody will be angry. But to do that would mean we are trying to please man rather than seeking to please God. And that refusal to confront the error would not be an act of love on our part but rather an act of disregard for the eternal souls of mankind. Like it or not we MUST speak out against a Satanically founded, Satanically inspired and Satanically designed religion that positively guarantees that ALL who believe it will die in their sins and will spend eternity separated from God ... indeed, eternity burning in hell!!!

Is this love??? Is this walking in love??? Is this loving my neighbor more than I love myself???

No! I would rather serve God and be rejected by every man than to serve man and be rejected by God.

I am sorry my comments have upset some people whom I hold dear. But because I love you ... and love God ... that very love constrains me to speak the truth.

That is TRUE LOVE


1Cr 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

Eph.7:11-14 "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.



Look at how many times John uses the word truth in this

” The Elder, To the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth, and not only I, but also all those who have known the truth, because of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever: Grace, mercy, and peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love - 2 John.1:1-3.

John 17:17 Sanctify [fn] them by the truth; your word is truth.

John 17:19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

What is the love Jesus prays would be in us? It is the love of the truth.


The Bible speaks against any unity based upon man's desires and goals that are independent of the God of the Bible. We have already seen this play out at the tower of Babel – Genesis 11: 1-9


The wonderful thing about God's love is it is transcending. We can pray for those we love and still want what is best for them

[billiefan2000]

Evangelical Polygamy: The Conservative Honeymoon with Glenn Beck
Posted by Erik in Irish Calvinist on Aug 30th, 2010 | 24 responses

How does a Mormon talk show host get hundreds of thousands of Americans, many of them evangelicals, to gather together for a “non-political” revival?

Simple. He preaches the unifying message of morality and opportunity.

Beck estimates that the crowd at the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday reached as many as 600,000 people. This is particularly impressive in light of the way Beck promoted his event with such a spiritual, non-political tone:

Overtly Spiritual
On the August 26 edition of his radio show, Beck told his audience,

“You’re going to see the spirit of God unleashed, unlike you have probably ever seen it before, at least at a public function. You are going to see the power of God.”

I think this statement is intriguing as it is uncomfortable.

Further, Beck dropped the $100 revival word. And, as one who makes his living with words, we can be sure that there was no accident when he referred to what we’ll see at the event as an “awakening”.

Doesn’t it seem somewhat odd that Beck, a Mormon, and so many evangelicals could yoke together in this venture so overtly spiritual in nature?

Not so according to this pastor who was featured on CNN:

Despite the pre-rally discussions of Beck’s Mormonism, the rally’s litany of evangelical speakers gave it the Jesus-centeredness of a Billy Graham Crusade. All theological references were clearly evangelical and biblically based.

Covertly anti-Gospel
Christians can agree with Mormons (and others outside the bounds of historic Christianity) because we agree on the Law. We agree on what condemns us. We agree on the 10 Commandments, we agree (for the most part) about morality, and we agree on many family related social issues. The issue here is that these matters of agreement are not what makes Christians distinctly Christian. In other words, these things reveal the problem but they do not reveal the solution.

The solution to the problem of sin is the gospel. The gospel is what Jesus did in history for sinners (1 Cor. 15.3-5). He did this for us, that is, in our place. It was Jesus who lived a perfect life of obedience to his Father. It was Jesus who suffered a wrath-satisfying, sin atoning death on the cross. It was Jesus that rose from the dead. Jesus obeyed the Law and satisfied the Law’s penalty by dying for us. Therefore, it is Jesus who is to be our unifying identity and message.

Americans will find great unity in morals but they will not find great unity in Jesus. There is great unity in law but not in gospel.

The Apostle Paul warned about this:

(2Co 6.14-15) 14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?



Therefore, it is sinful for Christians to hold hands (literally) with people who believe a different gospel in the context of a spiritual endeavor.

Another Babel?
The rally/revival may have been intended to showcase unity, resolve, and passion for more of God in our country but sadly it serves to be an indictment of evangelical disunity, ignorance and indifference with the gospel. So, instead of more of God it is more of us and less of Jesus.

Many American Evangelicals were outraged over the plans for a mosque to be built near the site of Ground Zero in New York City. However, we are not so outraged about building a tower of morality on the sacred site of the church. This rallying pole of morals, God and country is a lot like the old city’s motto to reach the heavens with our hands and building (Gen 11.4). In so doing this new construction of a monument to ‘Moralanity’ is obscuring the cross, which is the gospel monument to Christ, and his Christianity.

God calls the church to be a faithful bride to Jesus, his Son.

Sadly, evangelicals are taking page out of the old Mormon playbook and practicing polygamy.

American evangelicals need to repent and return to their first love. This running around with other lovers is unbecoming, embarrassing, and nauseating (Rev. 3.16)


Evangelical Polygamy: The Conservative Honeymoon with Glenn Beck- Erik Raymond

[myinnuendo999]

God calls the church to be a faithful bride to Jesus, his Son.

but instead we are committing spiritual adultery.

and instead of people being upset at this adultery they condone it.

Wonder how men and women would feel if their spouse was flirting or committed adultery? Shouldn't they be upset? Shouldn't they be angry and upset?

Rev 2:20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.

this is exactly what Christians who LOVE Jesus and the Truth are sitting up taking notice of. If you love the truth and Jesus you would think that any kind of unity outside of the BODY of Christ would cause you to be upset.Warning our sisters and brothers whom we love of these adulterous, flirtatious innuendos before it is too late- IS the most loving thing to do.

If the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God, then why should Christians incorporate the world's wisdom into their thinking.

as Spurgeon said quote

“He who does not hate the false does not love the true; and he to whom it is all the same whether it be God's word or man's, is himself unrenewed at heart”

truth outside the word of God will not contradict truth within the word of God --YOU cannot compromise the GOSPEL for Unity. This unity from (mormon Glenn Beck) is not the Unity Jesus talked about and many are getting caught up in this false unity and compromising integrity.

Proverbs 22:1 A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold.

Credibility--So easy to lose, so difficult to regain.

[MikeD]

"You’re going to see the spirit of God unleashed, unlike you have probably ever seen it before"

I find this statement to be somewhat troubling. I will have to admit; there has been times I have been in meetings, mostly small, where the TURE Spirit of God was unleashed. To every one there, the ONLY response was to fall flat on your face, lay in fear, and wish with everything in you not to even move at all!! Yet, at those times, the ONLY thing I'd receive from the Spirit of God was, complete and total unconditional understanding and acceptance in love like I've never felt nor encountered before. This, I felt, even tho' I KNEW I was a born again believer in Jesus, I was NOT worthy of such an encounter with the God of all the universe. As it says in scripture, "Lord, who and I that you would consider me"????

And here Glenn Beck is proposing a meeting of thousands that will "see God unleashed, unlike you have probably ever seen before"???? I'm sorry, I just can't buy that at all!!

However, I do pray for God's intervention in these coming elections, that's for sure. A good dose of God's Words and direction is a badly needed thing for this country.

[GlennO]

Billie

Can you re-post the link of GB testimony?

[Carl]

Here is an interesting read that I received from OneNewsNow. It is an article by Dr Jim Garlow of the Weslian SkyLine Church in California. I checked the church internet site out and found nothing amiss. Dr Garlow gives an interesting perspective of working with the Mormon Church in California to defeat the Proposition 8 referendum

Evangelicals and Glenn Beck (OneNewsNow.com).

[paul&katie]

Here is an interesting read that I received from OneNewsNow. It is an article by Dr Jim Garlow of the Weslian SkyLine Church in California. I checked the church internet site out and found nothing amiss. Dr Garlow gives an interesting perspective of working with the Mormon Church in California to defeat the Proposition 8 referendum

Evangelicals and Glenn Beck (OneNewsNow.com).

This man is deeply confused. What do you call standing behind GB and linking arms with Orthodox Jews, Imams and mormons all under the banner of “god”???

he says:

Not one of them is attempting to move Mormonism within historical Christianity.

But this is exactly what the mormons are saying happened!

Jim Garlow, a popular and influential pastor who partnered with the Mormon faithful in California to defend traditional marriage was quoted recently in CNN's Belief Blog, saying, "I have interviewed persons who have talked specifically with Glenn about his personal salvation - persons extremely well known in Christianity - and they have affirmed (using language evangelicals understand), 'Glenn is saved...' He understands receiving Christ as Savior."

Hallelujah! The light bulb has been switched on after nearly two centuries! Every single member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes that a person must be "born again" and receive Jesus Christ as his Savior and Redeemer. Our holy books teach that salvation comes only in and through the atonement of Christ and that there is no other way a person can be saved. Those beliefs obligate us to do our best to keep God's commandments and to follow the example of Jesus in doing good. Glenn Beck's beliefs are mainstream Mormon beliefs. Joseph Smith, the Church's founder, was a Christian prophet. He was an apostolic witness of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

As Rev. C.L. Jackson said in his speech today after accepting the medal for faith, "God sent his Son to this earth so that we could all gather, and I think that's the dream and the vision of Glenn Beck." I myself have reacted, defensively and perhaps provocatively, to the attacks of Christian pastors on Mormons in the past. If anything, Glenn Beck has brought mainstream Mormonism into the public eye and has reached out to our fellow Christians in a powerful way. Perhaps it signifies the crossing of a threshold where Mormons and our fellow Christians can work together for good, to revitalize our country, and enshrine the principles of faith, hope, and charity--restoring honor once again to our familes, our communities, and our nation.

Glenn Beck and the 'Restoring Honor' rally - National LDS Church | Examiner.com

The mormons have a different god and a different jesus, Mormonism is a cult of the devil we can have NO fellowship with them on religious matters! The mormons have been using the term ‘Devine destiny’ for a long time in their writings. The mormon end time theology says they will save the USA in a time of crisis and then set up a mormon theocracy. And that is exactly what “taking America back” was all about!

he also says:

Someone might truly trust in Jesus Christ's death on the cross for one's salvation and believe in Jesus as Lord as demonstrated by the resurrection, yet be lacking in many points of doctrine.

It is a different jesus!!!! This man is very confused and need a good lesson on mormon theology, or is deliberately engaging in double speak.

[RonJohnSilver]

Galations 5:9....do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole loaf?....

To me, GBs mixing of his political beliefs/Mormon beliefs constitutes a little leaven. A person would have to be VERY discerning to separate the two. Most are not. This country/world will not be saved by GB or anyone else, only by Jesus. I'll wait for His rally.

[GlennO]

RonJohn -

To me, GBs mixing of his political beliefs/Mormon beliefs constitutes a little leaven. A person would have to be VERY discerning to separate the two. Most are not.

This country/world will not be saved by GB or anyone else, only by Jesus. I'll wait for His rally.

You have reduced the equation to its most effective expression!

Glenn