These are two different video clip's that Joyner is describing "grace" in.


one concerning Todd Bentley

the other concerning Lee Grady



How different the two are, it's amazing that when you agree with Joyner you get gentleness, when you disagree with him you get the hammer.







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(show at end of video btw is: False Teachers Ken Copeland and Rick Warren and Rod Parsley

and Joel Osteen and Creflo Dollar

and Paula White and Kim Clement and John Crowder

and Benny Hinn and Patricia King and Mike Murdock

the late Kenneth Hagin