Young Southern Baptists Urged Not to Walk Away Yet from troubled SBC denom.

[billiefan2000]

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Young Southern Baptists Urged Not to Walk Away Yet
By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter


Southern Baptist pastor is urging younger Baptists who may have doubts about the denomination not to abandon ship just yet.



As the Southern Baptist Convention prepares to embrace the Great Commission Resurgence this month, Pastor J. D. Greear wants fellow SBC members to know that the new movement is "something of God" and has nothing to do with saving the denomination.

"I want to address those of you who, like me, have a Baptist past but have often found yourself wondering, regarding the Southern Baptist Convention, 'What is the point? Aren’t denominations a thing of the past?'" the Raleigh-Durham, N.C., pastor said in a recent commentary.

"I want to try and persuade you that this movement, the Great Commission Resurgence, is something of God, is valuable for the Kingdom, and worth the investment of your time," he said. "I do so simply as a pastor of a young Southern Baptist church."

Greear was part of the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force which drafted a report on how the SBC – the largest Protestant denomination in the country – could work more faithfully, aggressively and effectively together in fulfilling the Great Commission. The final draft was released last month and will be considered at the SBC Annual Meeting in Orlando, June 15-16.

The report includes recommendations that include structural changes and a call to repent of pride and disunity. With some 4 billion people in the world having little to no access to the Gospel, Southern Baptist leaders are seeking to adopt the recommended changes and urgently engage the "lostness."

Anticipating the changes, Greear is asking young Southern Baptists to stick around and consider being a part of the Great Commission Resurgence.

"God may or may not choose to use and preserve the SBC in the future," he said. "The SBC is merely a tool that God has used to assist His churches in accomplishing the Great Commission. The 'tool' for the task is not the point, the task itself is, and if the tool ever gets in the way of the task, we should discard the tool and pursue the task.

"But I believe that there are some things about the SBC that are very strategic in this day and hour for the forward progress of the Great Commission, and I believe that it would be both unhelpful and unwise to walk away from it yet. So all this, for me, is about the Great Commission, and us together getting it accomplished in the world."

He stressed that the new movement would result in more SBC money being directed to the nations.

"More of the money we give to missions needs to go the part of the world with the least access to the Gospel," he said.

Responding to some who feel that's still not enough, he agreed by stating that this is only "the first of many important steps we need to take as a Convention toward greater effectiveness for the nations."

Greear has recognized that younger Southern Baptists who are passionate about reaching the lost are no longer looking to the convention for leadership and are choosing to contribute directly to missions rather than through denominational programs.

He assured fellow Baptists that by adopting the recommendations, local churches will be able to invest not only in the Cooperative Program – an SBC initiative that channels giving to missions and other denominational programs and entities – but also other projects of their choosing.

"Southern Baptist churches have done this for years, and by recognizing it we are simply acknowledging that the local church has the right to determine how to invest her money," he explained.

In a final appeal, Greear said, "I’d urge you not to be caught on the sidelines in this strategic hour of battle.

"I’d urge you not to be caught on the sidelines in this strategic hour of battle."


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considering the SBC 's 3 most famous pastors are Rick warren and Ed young jr. and Ed Stetzer (the missional agenda pusher)


If I were a SBC person I would walk away cause the SBC refuses to denounce Rick

and Young jr. and Stetzer 's false teachings

[ArmyofHeaven777]

Isn't Jimmy Carter an SBC member too?

This has been the achilles heel of the SBC-they refuse to reprimand anyone that speaks heresies. When Billy Graham denied Jesus being the only way to the Father on Robert Schuller in 1997, nothing. Jimmy Carter has been a life-long supporter of the Palestineans, nothing. Rick Warren's many, many heresies you can poke holes through, they still embrace him. The SBC has also adopted RCC practices, haven't they? Haven't they also embraced Disney?

Paul rebuked Peter in Galatia-it wasn't like Peter was some "golden boy" just because he was made one of the 12 Apostles, like some of our so-called "darlings" in the SBC are.

[ftwspursfan]

Jimmah Carter and his church have left the SBC for the CBF and other "moderate" Baptist organization.

Billie, that 3-headed monster of Warren, Young & Stetzer is difficult to deal with in our own strength but God will deal with them and I trust Him to do what needs to be done. They don't have as much influence on the SBC as you might think. Al Mohler, Johnny Hunt, Danny Akin and JD Greear, to name a few, have much more influence on the denomination. I'm a Baptist and I've been praying off and on for a year about the GCR. Here is the link: Praying For a Great Commission Resurgence | Will You Pray With Us? Well see what happens in Orlando in less than 2 weeks. This thing is a very big deal for the future of the SBC!!

[BuzzardHut]

Isn't Jimmy Carter an SBC member too?

This has been the achilles heel of the SBC-they refuse to reprimand anyone that speaks heresies. When Billy Graham denied Jesus being the only way to the Father on Robert Schuller in 1997, nothing. Jimmy Carter has been a life-long supporter of the Palestineans, nothing. Rick Warren's many, many heresies you can poke holes through, they still embrace him. The SBC has also adopted RCC practices, haven't they? Haven't they also embraced Disney?

Paul rebuked Peter in Galatia-it wasn't like Peter was some "golden boy" just because he was made one of the 12 Apostles, like some of our so-called "darlings" in the SBC are.

They also pad their membership stats to appear larger than they really are

Jimmah Carter and his church have left the SBC for the CBF and other "moderate" Baptist organization.

Billie, that 3-headed monster of Warren, Young & Stetzer is difficult to deal with in our own strength but God will deal with them and I trust Him to do what needs to be done. They don't have as much influence on the SBC as you might think. Al Mohler, Johnny Hunt, Danny Akin and JD Greear, to name a few, have much more influence on the denomination. I'm a Baptist and I've been praying off and on for a year about the GCR. Here is the link: Praying For a Great Commission Resurgence | Will You Pray With Us? Well see what happens in Orlando in less than 2 weeks. This thing is a very big deal for the future of the SBC!!

The Texas Baptists split from SBC due to compromise and seem to be doing well

[Robert]

This is why I'm not a big one on "denominations." All denominations are are the long-cold fires of where the Holy Spirit once was and revealed ONE ASPECT of the truth. Men built a fence and a church there to try to contain it, thinking that what had been shown to them was THE truth, and not just one aspect of it. But being alive, the HS moves on, and sadly, many do not.

We follow the leading of the Lord; not the rules of a 'denomination." I learned this the hard way several years ago.

[billiefan2000]

Jimmah Carter and his church have left the SBC for the CBF and other "moderate" Baptist organization.

Billie, that 3-headed monster of Warren, Young & Stetzer is difficult to deal with in our own strength but God will deal with them and I trust Him to do what needs to be done. They don't have as much influence on the SBC as you might think. Al Mohler, Johnny Hunt, Danny Akin and JD Greear, to name a few, have much more influence on the denomination. I'm a Baptist and I've been praying off and on for a year about the GCR. Here is the link: Praying For a Great Commission Resurgence | Will You Pray With Us? Well see what happens in Orlando in less than 2 weeks. This thing is a very big deal for the future of the SBC!!

Young Jr. and Stetzer and Warren may not have as much influence in the SBC but they are the most vocal and I wish SBC leaders wouls say something about their false teachings.


the SBC's silence on those 3 leading people astray is what troubles me the most about the SBC and makes me question the SBC leadership.

[ftwspursfan]

They also pad their membership stats to appear larger than they really are



The Texas Baptists split from SBC due to compromise and seem to be doing well

OK Buzz, the BGCT is NOT doing well. My church is in the SBCT and my former one stayed in the BGCT but they designate their funds and the BGCT gets nothing from them. The BGCT is hurting very bad and they have made HUGE budget cuts because of the big loss in churches and funds. The SBCT is thriving and growing as best it can in this day within the US church. I have watched the BGCT fall further and further into decline over the past 12+years. Many TX Baptist organizations, like TX Baptist Men, who were married to the BGCT have had to come over to the SBCT and partner with them in order to survive.

On the membership issue, Baptists are stubborn about removing people from their rolls. If you change from an SBC church to a Bible church, you stay on the SBC church rolls. It is a problem that most Baptists laugh about but it is sad that you have to die or move by letter to another SBC church in order to get off the roll.

The BGCT has gotten in such a bind that they have been considering trying to merge back with the SBCT for 2+ yrs now. Many of the more conservative small town TX churches have been demanding that the BGCT try to find common ground within the SBC and with the SBCT. Well see how all this goes but the BGCT has some very difficult days ahead and big decisions to make.

[ftwspursfan]

Young Jr. and Stetzer and Warren may not have as much influence in the SBC but they are the most vocal and I wish SBC leaders wouls say something about their false teachings.


the SBC's silence on those 3 leading people astray is what troubles me the most about the SBC and makes me question the SBC leadership.

I'm with you wholeheartedly that the SBC SHOULD do something about Ed, Ed, & Rick. They are not the only issues in regards to heresy as Chandler, Noble and MacManus are all SBC guys as well. You also have to remember that the SBC is a very loose Convention of churches. Each church is independent and free to leave the SBC at any time. All 5 of these "pastors" lead churches that do not contribute much to the SBC. They all fund their own missionaries and do most all things totally on their own. Johnny Hunt, Al Mohler, Paige Patterson or anyone else in the SBC offices in Nashville or elsewhere cannot tell any of these guys how to run their churches or anything else.

[ftwspursfan]

This is why I'm not a big one on "denominations." All denominations are are the long-cold fires of where the Holy Spirit once was and revealed ONE ASPECT of the truth. Men built a fence and a church there to try to contain it, thinking that what had been shown to them was THE truth, and not just one aspect of it. But being alive, the HS moves on, and sadly, many do not.

We follow the leading of the Lord; not the rules of a 'denomination." I learned this the hard way several years ago.

I probably should not have used the denomination term because the SBC is not really a denomination that looks anything like any of the other more typical denominations.

"As is true of most Baptists, Southern Baptists' typical form of government is congregationalist: each local church is autonomous without formal lines of responsibility to organizational levels of higher authority.

Baptist churches believe strongly in the autonomy of the local church.[citation needed] The Convention is therefore conceived as a cooperative association by which churches can pool resources rather than as a body with any administrative or ecclesiastical control over local churches. It maintains a central administrative organization in Nashville, Tennessee. The Executive Committee, as it is called, exercises authority and control over seminaries and other institutions owned by the Southern Baptist Convention. However, the Executive Committee has no authority over its affiliated state conventions, local associations, individual churches or members.

Commitment to the autonomy of local congregations was the primary force behind the Executive Committee's rejection of a proposal to create a convention-wide database of SBC clergy accused of sexual crimes against congregants or other minors[62] in order to stop the "recurring tide" [63] of clergy sexual abuse within SBC congregations. A 2009 study by Lifeway Christian Resources, the convention's research and publishing arm, revealed that 1 in 8 background checks for potential volunteers or workers in SBC churches revealed a history of crime that could have prevented them from working.[64]

The Convention's confession of faith, the Baptist Faith and Message,[26] technically is not binding on churches or members due to the autonomy of the local church. Politically and culturally, Southern Baptists tend to be conservative. Most oppose the use of alcohol as a beverage, homosexual activity and abortion with few exceptions.[4]

There are four levels of SBC organization: the local congregation, the local association, the state convention, and the national convention." from Southern Baptist Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of the best things about the SBC is how they pool together to fund missionaries. The have more than 9500 out in the field. The SBC is far from perfect but we desperately need to pray for the health of the Southern Baptists. We will ALL dread the day that the SBC falls to the wayside because heresy and apostasy will run even more rampant than it already does. Orlando is in 10 days, PLEASE pray: Praying For a Great Commission Resurgence | Will You Pray With Us?

[billiefan2000]

I'm with you wholeheartedly that the SBC SHOULD do something about Ed, Ed, & Rick. They are not the only issues in regards to heresy as Chandler, Noble and MacManus are all SBC guys as well. You also have to remember that the SBC is a very loose Convention of churches. Each church is independent and free to leave the SBC at any time. All 5 of these "pastors" lead churches that do not contribute much to the SBC.

They all fund their own missionaries and do most all things totally on their own. Johnny Hunt, Al Mohler, Paige Patterson or anyone else in the SBC offices in Nashville or elsewhere cannot tell any of these guys how to run their churches or anything else.

I didnt know Perry Noble and Erwin Mcmanus were SBC leaders. considering Young Jr. and Warren and Stetzer are SBC leaders also I am not surprised

[ftwspursfan]

I didnt know Perry Noble and Erwin Mcmanus were SBC leaders. considering Young Jr. and Warren and Stetzer are SBC leaders also I am not surprised

I knew Macmanus and Chandler were, but I did not find out about Noble until I read about it during the brouhaha between NewSpring and Dr James Duncan last year.