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    Ergun Caner and the exposure of the Evangelical celebrity zeitgeist

    I am sure many of my American readers would have known about the Ergun Caner saga, in which Liberty University president Ergun Caner has been outed for having embellished his testimony and biography at the very least, as serious contradictions have emerged from conflicting dates in his biography, exposed initially by a Muslim by the name of Mohammad Khan, whose Youtube account has since been deleted through pressure tactics from certain *ah-hem* 'Christian leaders'. The "evil bloggers" are here to stay as they attack... call Caner to come clean regarding the many contradictions he has made on various subjects.

    The New Evangelical flagship magazine Christianity Today has proven itself again in its spin on the situation in an article by John W. Kennedy entitled Bloggers target Seminary President, where the typical New Evangelical spin machine worked overtime to cast the entire issue as one of the "nasty unaccountable bloggers" who have a personal grudge against poor Ergun Caner, persecuted by those who are supposed to be fellow Christians, a fact that Dr. James R. White (certainly no *mere blogger*) pointed out.



    Gene Clyatt aka "Squirrel" likewise pointed that out in his blog post addressing the biased CT article.

    Since then, this story has been picked up the Huffington Post. With that the issue has now been gotten out of supposed Christian circles, and little good would come out of this mess.

    Prof. R. Scott Clark over at the Heidelblog has posted an excellent piece addressing the Evangelical sub-culture of revivalism behind the entire Caner fiasco. The distrust in God's sovereignty in salvation and evangelism, the maturation of the [Charles G.] Finneyist Pelagian paradigm of salvation being brought about by the mere proper usage of natural means, and the emphases on the importance of strong antithetical conversion experiences and testimonies (a sharp contrast between the "before" and "after" of Christian conversion experience) — ideas that lie at the foundation of revivalism — has brought about the fertile soil necessary for the celebrity cult and the embellishment of Christian testimonies to come about. Caner is merely the person caught in the act this time around; the victim and perpetrator of the entire revivalist tradition that is sadly strongly based in the New Evangelical movement and has influenced others outside it as well.

    On the other side of the Evangelical sub-culture, the celebrity cult and the lack of doctrinal teaching and discernment has created the vicious culture of "pastor/leader-worship" where defenders of Ergun Caner have decided to attack all have even the audacity (according to them) to raise questions about their hero. The entire cultic mentality prevalent in various segments of so-called Evangelicalism shocked Dr. White who posted quite a few of these responses that are basically variations of the theme "my hero Ergun Caner right or wrong". One person, Craig Daliessio, has even decided to personally attack and insult Dr. White (with profanity included), in a email message worthy of the AODmers — those self-styled watchblog of watchblogs.

    The point in bringing up that particular sub-culture is that this is the prevalent "culture" in many unorthodox churches. Try criticizing the Antinomian Joseph Prince and his supporters react EXACTLY the same way, a fact I have personally experienced. Try criticizing the Word-faith movement, the NAR or whatever groups that are probably not on the radar screens of ill-informed Reformed folks and you would have stirred up a hornet's nest in their followers. Unfortunately, the effeminate Evan-jellyfishes have embraced more and more of this sub-culture, exacerbated by them having embraced the postmodern zeitgeist also. Is it any wonder that we find a significant number of such professing Christians around?

    May God have mercy on us as the New Evangelical movement, and even it seems her sister the New Evangelical Calvinism, accelerates at full throttle towards destruction.

    Add: TE (Teaching Elder) Brain Carpenter over at Scott Clark's post posted an excellent sarcastic comment on this issue as follows:

    Not to go off on a tangent, but….

    He was outed by bloggers. This is more proof that blogging is evil and “blog” is a four letter word! It is imperative that we throttle the flow of information and restore the information monopoly that those in power have always enjoyed. How else can we get anything strategically planned?

    Anything less than a total return of information dissemination to those in power is to violate the Ninth Commandment, to engage in “blogsip”, and be unloving and just plain not nice. Especially if they’re Calvinists

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    Norm Geisler weighs in on Ergun Caner, James White responds
    Published May 23rd, 2010 by Editor in General
    By way of Purpose Drivel we read:

    Norm Geisler has stepped in it er… has… weighed in on… the Ergun Caner situation, and James White has responded, cutting to the chase as usual! Norman Geisler Comments on the Caner Saga

    Geisler:
    I have looked into the matter, talking with Ergun and other principal parties at Liberty, and am convinced that the charges are libelous.

    White:
    My first thought upon reading the statement was, “If Dr. Geisler has talked to Ergun Caner, and can conclude that directly contradictory statements such as “I was born in Istanbul” and “I was born in Stockholm” are merely “ambiguous” statements,…


    Norm Geisler weighs in on Ergun Caner, James White responds at Christian Research Net
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    Dr. Norman Geisler Wades Into Ergun Caner Scandal
    Posted by The Crosstalk Team in Circus Church, Religion on May 24th, 2010 | no responses
    James White responds to Norm Geisler’s remarks on the Dr. Ergun Caner scandal at Liberty Seminary.

    I was informed this afternoon that Dr. Norman Geisler has spoken out on the controversy concerning Ergun Caner’s refusal to openly and publicly answer direct, honest questions concerning the documented contradictions in his public pronouncements and claims concerning his past. The material, posted by Peter Lumpkins, is prefaced by Lumpkins’ claim that Dr. Geisler invited him to “spread it far and wide.” Here is the statement: Read the article here.
    Here are the original 22 questions regarding Caner’s dubious and ever-changing biography. These questions remain unanswered by anyone in this embarrassing mess.


    Dr. Norman Geisler Wades Into Ergun Caner Scandal- The Crosstalk Blog
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