Let the Fire Fall: Gifts of Charismatic Prayer

[Berean Girl]

Let the Fire Fall: Gifts of Charismatic Prayer

By Henrietta Gomes
HERALD Staff Writer
(From the Issue of 2/22/07)

Concurrent to the rise of secularism and cultural deformation in the 1960s was an outpouring of the gifts of the Holy Spirit within the Catholic Church giving birth to what is known as the Charismatic Renewal. (I do not believe this can be Biblical as the true Gospel of repentance and regeration by the Holy Spirit is not preached in Mass. It is another gospel and another jesus with another path to salvation.) The movement within the Church is often associated with many of the extraordinary gifts of the Holy Spirit such as praying in tongues, prophecy and healing. Although the renewal is characterized with the inclusion of these gifts, it does not necessarily define the movement.

The stirring up of the Holy Spirit, which directly initiated the Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church, occurred on the campus of Duquesne University in 1967. Students and faculty who were on retreat one weekend, simultaneously felt called in the middle of the night to enter the chapel and they began praising and worshiping. The Holy Spirit unleashed His gifts that night in a profound way. The greater awareness of the Holy Spirit and the new movement quickly spread throughout the nation and to different countries around the world.

These extraordinary gifts associated with the movement of the Holy Spirit harkens back to the first Pentecost more than 2,000 years ago with the Apostles and the Blessed Mother.

For rest, go here http://www.catholicherald.com/articl...harismatic.htm

NOTE: I sincerely believe that this "charismatic renovation" is a tool of the enemy to deceive many within the catholic church and is a unifying factor to unite them with evangelical and pentecostal churches who tend to focus more on the gifts instead of the Word.... I had noticed this possibility back in 2005 when I was attending a non-denominational charismatic church and saw that there were many who came from different religions who still retained their erroneous doctrines, yet there were able to worship and pray together with born-again Christians in this church. This troubled me then and still does. I also feel that this will tie in with the emergent church which will tie in with the new age movement.

[Lynn]

Let the Fire Fall: Gifts of Charismatic Prayer

http://www.catholicherald.com/articl...harismatic.htm

NOTE: I sincerely believe that this "charismatic renovation" is a tool of the enemy to deceive many within the catholic church and is a unifying factor to unite them with evangelical and pentecostal churches who tend to focus more on the gifts instead of the Word.... . . . I also feel that this will tie in with the emergent church which will tie in with the new age
movement.

I agree, Berean Girl. I used to wonder, how in the world all of the diverse religions would ever be able to unite, since all of them are so different? The picture continues to come into focus. All of the wider mercy of God, general acceptance of tongues-speaking, labyrinth-walking, and other "emerging" errors are what will unite the world. No longer do many churches believe that doctrine is so important, after all. Many of them are much more willing to give "a fair amount of grace in areas of disagreement." Even in a single Baptist church, there often is a wide spectrum of end times beliefs, and everyone seems to avoid "talking about the elephant in the room," and just focuses on felt needs 'cause everybody has 'em.
It didn't used to be this way.

[Onsolidrock]

Among peace and joy, the movement should bring one to a deeper relationship with Jesus in the Eucharist, a greater devotion to the Blessed Mother and a more profound love for the Church and the Holy Father.

Same deception as in all of the Charismatic movement.

[SoftTouch]

I agree, Berean Girl. I used to wonder, how in the world all of the diverse religions would ever be able to unite, since all of them are so different? The picture continues to come into focus. All of the wider mercy of God, general acceptance of tongues-speaking, labyrinth-walking, and other "emerging" errors are what will unite the world. No longer do many churches believe that doctrine is so important, after all. Many of them are much more willing to give "a fair amount of grace in areas of disagreement." Even in a single Baptist church, there often is a wide spectrum of end times beliefs, and everyone seems to avoid "talking about the elephant in the room," and just focuses on felt needs 'cause everybody has 'em.
It didn't used to be this way.

Well Said and I'm in FULL Agreement with y'all! This stuff is making me So Sick I just want to SCREAM! But even if I did people would just think I was Nuts and Intolerant... Oh Lord Jesus, Please Come Back! It's Getting REALLY DARK Down Here!

[omalley7997]

Typically, people who scoff the Charismatic movement in the Catholic Church have: (a) never been to a charismatic mass (or have been to one and judged the movement based on that one), and (b) not experienced the full release of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I say this not to put any of you down, but to challenge your way of thinking. I am proud to call myself Roman Catholic AND charismatic. I have been "baptized in the Spirit", as it is called, and so have many of my friends and family members. And what I can tell you is this: those of us who are "charismatic" are also ardent defenders of the Catholic faith. We read the Bible AND the Catechism. Some of us regularly defend our doctrine to those who discredit it. I have personally debated fundamentalists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons. Most of us also have a strong devotion to our Blessed Mother. We pray the rosary, carry scapulars, etc. We attend Mass every week and, some of us, every day. True, we accept our Protestant brothers and sisters as "members of the fold", but we don't readily accept their doctrine, nor do we think we should. If one is a true charismatic, then one will be guided by the Spirit to the truth, and that truth is Roman Catholicism. We simply believe that the fullness of being a Christian lies in a FULL experience of the Spirit and allowing him to utilize ALL His gifts in us. I caution you, therefore, in how you address charismatics and urge you to study more before you pass judgment. I pray that God will enlighten you as you continue to seek Him.

[Hebron]

I am proud to call myself Roman Catholic AND charismatic.

This won't get you to heaven!

I have been "baptized in the Spirit", as it is called

This won't get you to heaven!

And what I can tell you is this: those of us who are "charismatic" are also ardent defenders of the Catholic faith. We read the Bible AND the Catechism.

This won't get you to heaven either!

Some of us regularly defend our doctrine to those who discredit it.

This won't either

Most of us also have a strong devotion to our Blessed Mother. We pray the rosary, carry scapulars, etc

This definately won't get you there either

We pray the rosary, carry scapulars, etc. We attend Mass every week and, some of us, every day.

nor this...sorry!

I pray that God will enlighten you as you continue to seek Him.

and how do we seek Him? by repenting our sins to Him asking Him into your life and living a new life in Him, we learn through reading His Word and trusting in Him ALONE not trusting in docrine, religion,rosaries or anything else for that matter, redemption is found only in Christ and to say you need more to be saved takes away from the completion of the cross ''It is finished'' He paid the price for you and me, praise His name, He is all in all, nothing more, nothing less, and it's as simple as that.

[happy2serve]

Typically, people who scoff the Charismatic movement in the Catholic Church have: (a) never been to a charismatic mass (or have been to one and judged the movement based on that one), and (b) not experienced the full release of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I say this not to put any of you down, but to challenge your way of thinking. I am proud to call myself Roman Catholic AND charismatic. I have been "baptized in the Spirit", as it is called, and so have many of my friends and family members. And what I can tell you is this: those of us who are "charismatic" are also ardent defenders of the Catholic faith. We read the Bible AND the Catechism. Some of us regularly defend our doctrine to those who discredit it. I have personally debated fundamentalists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons. Most of us also have a strong devotion to our Blessed Mother. We pray the rosary, carry scapulars, etc. We attend Mass every week and, some of us, every day. True, we accept our Protestant brothers and sisters as "members of the fold", but we don't readily accept their doctrine, nor do we think we should. If one is a true charismatic, then one will be guided by the Spirit to the truth, and that truth is Roman Catholicism. We simply believe that the fullness of being a Christian lies in a FULL experience of the Spirit and allowing him to utilize ALL His gifts in us. I caution you, therefore, in how you address charismatics and urge you to study more before you pass judgment. I pray that God will enlighten you as you continue to seek Him.

Let me first say that I am not a RC nor ever have been. But I have been an Episcopalian all my life (just now moving on from that church) because of the move towards the charismatic inside of the Episcopal Church, just like the RCC. (or that is one of the major reasons I am). Many of us (if you want to call us fundies, okay, but I have to say fundamentalism=Bible) have done research on it, and have found this movement to be demonic as the dark forces in this world love to imitate what God does. Therefore you must be a Berean and put on the full armor of God at all times against these things. I am not saying that spiritual gifts don't happen: not at all. I am just saying that Satan's dominions love to intimidate what gifts the Holy Spirit gives to Believers. Therefore, beware. Just as you discern what programs and music your children listen to: you must discern what is coming out of all clergy, ministers, and all other folks preaching the word.

Okay, with that said, how do you say you get to heaven? Just wondering.

[bghtnpd4]

What is a "strong devotion to the blessed mother" and where is the recommendation of this devotion pointed to in scripture?

[BuzzardHut]

Typically, people who scoff the Charismatic movement in the Catholic Church have: (a) never been to a charismatic mass (or have been to one and judged the movement based on that one), and (b) not experienced the full release of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I say this not to put any of you down, but to challenge your way of thinking. I am proud to call myself Roman Catholic AND charismatic. I have been "baptized in the Spirit", as it is called, and so have many of my friends and family members. And what I can tell you is this: those of us who are "charismatic" are also ardent defenders of the Catholic faith. We read the Bible AND the Catechism. Some of us regularly defend our doctrine to those who discredit it. I have personally debated fundamentalists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons. Most of us also have a strong devotion to our Blessed Mother. We pray the rosary, carry scapulars, etc. We attend Mass every week and, some of us, every day. True, we accept our Protestant brothers and sisters as "members of the fold", but we don't readily accept their doctrine, nor do we think we should. If one is a true charismatic, then one will be guided by the Spirit to the truth, and that truth is Roman Catholicism. We simply believe that the fullness of being a Christian lies in a FULL experience of the Spirit and allowing him to utilize ALL His gifts in us. I caution you, therefore, in how you address charismatics and urge you to study more before you pass judgment. I pray that God will enlighten you as you continue to seek Him.

I've been to both the Catholic church and Charismatic church (Assembly of God)
I find some charismatic beliefs as genuine but the charismania rampant today is demonic
oh, and Catholicism is a cult

If you are a charismatic catholic then you have doubled your troubles, the Holy Spirit does not enter people of pagan beliefs

[waiting4Him]

When at the age of 23 The Lord saved me by believing in Jesus Christ as my Saviour and my Lord,He also filled me with The Holy Spirit,and i spoke in tongues for hours....I had a great Joy and also a great power to evangelize and pray.
The Holy Spirit drove me so strongly and intensely to Jesus and I started to literally devour The Bible,I was reading it and studying it day and night,I was evangelizing practically every person that would cross my path and also doing street preaching and the message was loud and clear: Believe in The Lord Jesus Christ and be saved,turn from sin and run to Jesus and be saved.
i prayed intensely that my family would convert to Christ and faithfully The Lord saved my sister and then my mother and then my father( who is with The Lord now) and some other members of my family ( uncle,auntie and family) and also my grandmother and several other friends of mine.
Please note,we were all rcc ( being in Rome,Italy)
None of us went to Rcc mass ever again,neither prayed to Mary or saints or all the Rcc paraphernalia.

JESUS,JESUS,JESUS He alone and His word was my passion and their passion...all this people are still in the Faith and notwhitstanding persecutions,sickness and variuos life difficulties,The Lord faithfully has kept us with Him and in Him and in His Word.
My father at 55 become a preacher of Christ with no bible school or stuff,just with the leading of The Holy Spirit and preaching simple but pow

erful messages from the Gospel...

It all happened in 1972,73...in what was a period of Holy Spirit movement...
I remember lots of Rcc coming to our church,getting converted to CHRIST and HIS GOSPEL,getting filled with The Holy Spirit and starting Bible study like never before and all ALL of them LEAVING THE BABYLONIAN RCC....

Oh Yes,I also remember some Rcc coming and receiving "something" and STILL praying Mary and stuff BUT they never become part of the local evangelical church...counterfeits!!! ok,you get that EVERYWHERE because church membership or denomination DOESN'T SAVE nobody!!!
THE GOSPEL IS JESUS,sola gratia,sola fide,sola scriptura...no popes no priests no mass no pastor because ONLY JESUS SAVES.
Praise THE LORD!!!!
Amen...

I remember that The Lord besides all other wonderful things He did in my life and family,brought me to study prophecy and endtimes studies and I became a convinced pre-trib,rapture-ready believer in the first year!!! praise THE LORD!!!
It is ALL BY GRACE,HIS GRACE....Praise THE LORD FATHER SON and HOLY GHOST!!!

I remember reading LARKIN books and the charts...studying about the rapture and the trib and ez 36/37/38 and ps 83 since then....

For the life of me,I CANNOT conceive that a person speaks in tongues and prays to Mary and saints...

The Lord says that we MUST leave BABYLON and come out from it to HIM....

In fact WHO but JESUS satisfies the soul of man? Who but HIS SPIRIT and HIS WORD can fire you up ???The Christian life is a supernatural life is HIS LIFE in us....

Oh yes,we still are engaged in a WARFARE,our enemies the world the flesh and the devil will fight us to the last breath until we either die to go with THE LORD or we get caught up to meet HIM in the air when HE comes to snatch us away from this evil world that lies in the evil one.

Now,getting saved and Spirit filled is THE BEGINNING of the journey..in fact is the beginning of knowing The Lord and even if one is baptized in the
Spirit or manifests some spiritual gifts that one is not so special really,JESUS IS SPECIAL,ALL GLORY GOES TO HIM and HIM alone!!!

I NEVER preached that to be eternally saved one has to speak in tongues or exercise spiritual gifts...no,to be saved ONE HAS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS and that HE PAID THE PRICE and JESUS is YOUR SAVIOUR,AMEN!!!

I am really really sad because the RCC make a great confusion in the charismatic movement mixing this and that and the "protestant" are so deadly boreing that you would believe their cat is dead instead of rejoicing in CHRIST and what HE DID and does for us....

I am sorry my english is not so good,it is not my first language,but I would like just say that while is absolutely essential to stick to the sound doctrine of the Word of God is also essential to be ON GUARD because DECEPTION IS RAMPANT everywhere and the enemy tries to bring havoc in the camp so that we get so worried and weary that we don't have time to serve THE LORD with JOY and gratitude.
ALL GLORY and POWER to THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!
MARANATHA,

May THE LORD bless us all,bless and pROTECT ISRAEL,
SHALOMy

my 5c

[Peter_Gunn]

I agree, Berean Girl. I used to wonder, how in the world all of the diverse religions would ever be able to unite, since all of them are so different? The picture continues to come into focus. All of the wider mercy of God, general acceptance of tongues-speaking, labyrinth-walking, and other "emerging" errors are what will unite the world. No longer do many churches believe that doctrine is so important, after all. Many of them are much more willing to give "a fair amount of grace in areas of disagreement." Even in a single Baptist church, there often is a wide spectrum of end times beliefs, and everyone seems to avoid "talking about the elephant in the room," and just focuses on felt needs 'cause everybody has 'em.
It didn't used to be this way.

I am reminded, almost hourly these days, of the scripture that warns "narrow is the way and few find it." I'm also reminded of the warning given by Jesus that "some will say Lord, Lord...and I will say to them, 'depart...I never knew you.'"

[mattfivefour]

Thank you for that last post(Let the Fire Fall: Gifts of Charismatic Prayer), waitiing4Him. It was very interesting. And I agree with your doctrinal statements. Jesus calls His people out of false religion into the truth. I also cannot understand how someone could truly understand the gospel and still pray to Mary and believe she will intercede for him and also celebrate the sacrifice of the Mass. The answer I have arrived at is that they cannot. so if they continue in it then it seems clear they have never received saving knowledge of Jesus.