Storybook Sex? (Oak Leaf Church of Cartersville Georgia into more seeker sensitive madness

[billiefan2000]

A Little Leaven: Storybook Sex?


Storybook Sex?
Rather than doing their job of preaching and teaching sound Biblical doctrine and making mature Christian disciples that are so thoroughly grounded in the scriptures that they won't be blown here


and there by every wind of false doctrine, the folks over at Oak Leaf Church have instead decided to use sex to "sell" their church and draw a large crowd.

There's only one BIG problem.



The Bible doesn't promise that Christians will have "Storybook Sex".



Christianity isn't primarily about making your life on earth better.


For many Christians, repenting of their sins and trusting in Christ alone for their salvation costs them their marriage.



Anyone who "decides to become a Christian" in order to spice up things in the bedroom probably isn't even a Christian to begin with.


Jesus wasn't calling out in the wilderness, "come to me all who are bored with your sex life and I will give you storybook sex."


Instead, Jesus calls us to deny ourselves and take up our cross and follow him (Matthew 16:24)


A Little Leaven: Storybook Sex?

[billiefan2000]

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Oak Leaf Church Features Easter Tattoo Service


April 21 2009

Slice of Laodicea Blog Archive Oak Leaf Church Features Easter Tattoo Service

Oak Leaf Church Features Easter Tattoo Service
Apr 21 by Ingrid Schlueter

The Easter Sunday church horror stories continue to roll in here at Slice. Oak Leaf Church decided that a tattoo parlor theme would be about right for resurrection Sunday worship.

Click on Media Gallery and then Tattoo to hear this hard hitting message about, well, tattoos. The church is also doing an “I Love the 80’s” sermon series. This is the same series done at Granger Community Church where they featured Van Halen’s Jump for prelude music


Slice of Laodicea Blog Archive Oak Leaf Church Features Easter Tattoo Service




BTW:


this "church" did a sex "sermon" series back in 2007

(see article SEXY CHURCHES | Church, Apostasy, Doctrine | Way of Life Literature

[doug97]

Let me start by saying I do not attend Oak Leaf, I attend another church, but I listen to their podcast on a regular basis. For those who level criticism against the "StoryBook Sex" series, did you actually listen to it or merely assume the content by the title? Catchy titles are part of a "seeker" church and I believe seeker churches are the best thing going in church world. Read your Bible, Jesus hung around at parties with prostitutes, drunks and tax collectors (and they loved him!) while preaching that God was more concerned about the one lost sheep than the 99 that were already saved to the great criticism of the religious elite of his time. Yes, the law centered religious folk, who liked to hit sinners with a 2x4 of truth, didn't like Jesus much and the fact that he loved and embraced them where they were, not expecting them to "clean-up" before being worthy of his love. I ask you, which churches today look more like Jesus? I commend Oak Leaf for being the type of church designed to reach the one lost sheep instead of the 99 already safe.

[billiefan2000]

Let me start by saying I do not attend Oak Leaf, I attend another church, but I listen to their podcast on a regular basis. For those who level criticism against the "StoryBook Sex" series, did you actually listen to it or merely assume the content by the title?

Catchy titles are part of a "seeker" church and I believe seeker churches are the best thing going in church world. Read your Bible, Jesus hung around at parties with prostitutes, drunks and tax collectors (and they loved him!)

while preaching that God was more concerned about the one lost sheep than the 99 that were already saved to the great criticism of the religious elite of his time.

Yes, the law centered religious folk, who liked to hit sinners with a 2x4 of truth, didn't like Jesus much and the fact that he loved and embraced them where they were, not expecting them to "clean-up" before being worthy of his love.

I ask you, which churches today look more like Jesus? I commend Oak Leaf for being the type of church designed to reach the one lost sheep instead of the 99 already safe.

billiefan2000 response:


you think seeker churches are great?


so you think the churches and church leaders should be like those in this video?






that video shows just a bit of how the seeker-movement is spirtually killing our churches


2 Timothy 4:3-4


For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[myinnuendo999]

The Bible clearly teaches that we are to model dignity, purity and integrity, reverence and sound speech 2:7. The Church thinks they have to adapt to the world and be "seeker sensitive"? NO!!!! Seeker sensitive is not biblical.
The more the church wants to be like the world the more that attitude will dominate... If your point to contextualize the Gospel is designed mainly to make you fit comfortably into a pagan culture, by appealing to the "lusts of man" then you have an upside down view and are polluting the Church. I never saw Paul trying to fit in with the other pagan beliefs. He certainly did not adopt their practices to bring people to a knowledge of their sins and repent. Eph.5:6, Some things are too shameful to mention Eph. 5:12, foolish and filthy talk, coarse or obsene should be avoided. Scripture is not silent in any of these areas. flippant irreverance. We are supposed to have some boundaries
"Paul does NOT lower the bar of Christian leadership to accomodate the hedonistic bent of Crete culture. Titus was not supposed to crawl into the societies sewers and become one of Cretans bad boys."--Phil Johnson

Amos 3:3 – “Can two walk together, unless they are agreed? If the church has to "conform" to the pattern of this world then it is going contrary to Scripture. For Scripture clearly says "DO NOT conform ANY LONGER to the pattern of this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." Rom.12:2

[Chris]

The Bible clearly teaches that we are to model dignity, purity and integrity, reverence and sound speech 2:7. The Church thinks they have to adapt to the world and be "seeker sensitive"? NO!!!! Seeker sensitive is not biblical.
The more the church wants to be like the world the more that attitude will dominate... If your point to contextualize the Gospel is designed mainly to make you fit comfortably into a pagan culture, by appealing to the "lusts of man" then you have an upside down view and are polluting the Church. I never saw Paul trying to fit in with the other pagan beliefs. He certainly did not adopt their practices to bring people to a knowledge of their sins and repent. Eph.5:6, Some things are too shameful to mention Eph. 5:12, foolish and filthy talk, coarse or obsene should be avoided. Scripture is not silent in any of these areas. flippant irreverance. We are supposed to have some boundaries
"Paul does NOT lower the bar of Christian leadership to accomodate the hedonistic bent of Crete culture. Titus was not supposed to crawl into the societies sewers and become one of Cretans bad boys."--Phil Johnson

Amos 3:3 – “Can two walk together, unless they are agreed? If the church has to "conform" to the pattern of this world then it is going contrary to Scripture. For Scripture clearly says "DO NOT conform ANY LONGER to the pattern of this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." Rom.12:2

I think those are good points.

"Seeker" churches that are seeking the lost according to Biblical principles and behavior are those that will hopefully draw true converts.

"Seeker" churches that are seeking the lost according to the ways of the world and by worldy behavior will probably not draw true converts. They might even be the ones the Lord says, "I never knew you, you workers of iniquity, etc......" because they never really got saved because of the "worldly seeker" theology that did not give them a biblical basis for being saved.

As far as Jesus socializing with prostitutes, tax collectors, etc. yes he was socializing with them in order to save the lost. He did not participate in worldly behaviors, pagan nonsense, etc. He was always just, righteous, and of godly behavior. There's a difference there. And saving people is what he tried to do, but he would never lower God's standards in order to save people.

That Todd Bentley fellow is a prime example of someone who is worldly with all his tattoos, promoting bad theology and false teachings, and then is found to be participating in worldy behavior by having sex with staff members, etc. or whatever he did. Did Jesus do that sort of behavior? Absolutely not!!!

More on Bentley..... Articles - Doctrinal - Cults - An Evaluation of the Florida Healing Outpouring

[doug97]

No doubt there are bad apple "seeker" churches as I'm sure it would be possible to make a "greatest hits" collection of bad things that happened in mainline churches. Any church must have sound doctrine based on the Bible. They should not promote any sin, but I ask you, is there anything sinful with using comedy and modern music, can we at least agree on that much? When Paul was called before the elite in Greece to make his case for Jesus he even quoted one of their poets (Acts 17:28).

I have no doubt Jesus never participated in sin when he partied with drunks and prostitutes, but he ventured into their world rather than waiting on the steps of the temple for them to come into his. Jesus sent us out into the world, he didn't ask us to wait for it to come to us and that requires us to wade through this world, the good and the junk. However, Jesus calls us to be shrewd Luke 16:1-8 and I believe that means leveraging what we can of this world to advance his goals.