Rob Bell, Shane Hipps, Peter Rollins teaching Arts and Crafts? No, Never, Can’t be!

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Rob Bell, Shane Hipps, Peter Rollins Teaching Arts and Crafts? No, Never, Can’t be!
Published July 11th, 2009 by Editor in Emergence Christianity, Emerging Church, Rob Bell
An unusual post, and look, at the recently concluded [False] Poets Prophets Preachers conference sponsored by Zondervan and hosted by Rob Bell.


Rob Bell, Shane Hipps, Peter Rollins Teaching Arts and Crafts? No, Never, Can?t be! at Christian Research Net

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this is from the Discerning The World blog







Rob Bell, Shane Hipps, Peter Rollins teaching Arts and Crafts? No, Never, Can’t be!



Rob Bell, Shane Hipps and Peter Rollins

Agenda of Poets, Prophets and Preachers conference: Rob Bell [Emphasis added below]

Sunday July 5



Rob Bell – The Original Guerilla Theatre: throwing ourselves into this ancient, sacred art form with the absurd, naive, antiquated belief that the world needs inspiring, provocative, comforting, dangerous, healing, great sermons now more than ever



[DTW note: What Rob Bell REALLY means here. Ancient, sacred art = paganism, occult. By art they actually mean the craft or 'art of the craft'. In short it means this: The experience and feeling you can attain by following ancient sacred knowledge by practicing certain disciplines.





Monday July 6

Rob Bell – The Story We're Telling: sin, salvation, business, art, justice and the importance of beginning in the beginning



[DTW note: they are saying that you have got to go back to the beginning, go back to where ancient knowledge originately from, where sacret arts originationed from in order to move forward. How far do we have to go back? To the very beginning, of course. We, each individual person, needs to eat from the tree of life in order to gain knowledge.


Genesis 3:4-5 4 The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die! 5 "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."]




Peter Rollins – Returning to the New – An Introduction to Transformance Art: what do flash mobs, performance artists, and pirates have to do with Christianity? exploring how the church can act as an aroma of the coming kingdom ….




[DTW note: The Aroma, Peter is talking about is the fragrance of the coming Christ (kingdom). What he said is purely Buddhism/Eastern religious terminology for this would be the Fragrance of the Lotus (third eye/6th charka). Lastly flash mobs, performance artists and pirates have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. You however Peter Rollins, are more than welcome to act like a clown in your emergent circus.]




Shane Hipps – How Technology Shapes the Sermon: the art of preaching evolves with every new technological innovation in a culture. do you know what is being done and undone by our technologies?

[DTW note: Shane believes that the message of Christianity has been evolving over time. To the point it has now changed and no longer applies to Christians lives.]



Rob Bell – The Fig Tree and the Failure of Language: moment, movement, mystery, and the science of homiletical architecture (alternate title: why some sermons work and others don’t)

[DTW note: As per Rob, preaching will only work in this New Age of ours, if you turn the stories of the Bible into mystery, imagination, magic, etc]




Tuesday July 7

Rob Bell – Fumbling Around with Your Radar: tools, questions, approaches, and everyday 5 minute disciplines that have helped me understand where sermons come from

[DTW note: The disciplines Rob ia speaking about are things like: meditation, contemplative prayer, centering, silence, circles, mantras, posture, yoga, etc, etc, etc]

Peter Rollins – For Those With Ears to Hear: Parables and the Lost Art of Provocation: an exploration of that theological dis-course that holds the power to send us hurtling off course and onto a new one

[DTW note: Peter's attempt at a play on words here, what he means is that: theological reasoning (questioning what the Bible has to say) holds the power to put us onto a NEW path]

Shane Hipps – You Are the Medium: an exploration of the human being as God’s ultimate medium for his message. if the medium is the message, and you as a person are the medium, then what does that say about the message?

[DTW note: Shane is saying that we don't need the Bible anymore, because we as humans hold the message of God within us. Human beings are now the vessels, that carry the message. Just something interesting to note: A Medium (Channeler) in Spiritism is also someone who has 'something or someone' speaking through them.]

Rob Bell – The One Thing I’ve Never Heard Someone Talk About That Has Changed Everything for Me

[DTW note: Rob, would you like to talk about it? Just get it off your chest, don't write in circles anymore, just come clean, say what you mean!]



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Things said at PPP on Monday, taken from here: Nuvuslumen.com

“How image culture is shaping Christianity….In the image age we move from churches that look like traditional pew based…to more experiential, relational, and communal candle-circle situations.



[DTW note: PPP is saying that the the Word of God has become an image, picture or imagination instead. Because it's no longer the truth anymore, and the truth is now inside each human being. When you experience it, this new truth that is, through the human senses/faculties (hearing, sight, smell, touch, taste) you will feel the difference. You will be able to relate what you have been taught and heard to what you can feel.




It's like experiencing a labyrinth, you will go around in circles; where the end is the beginning and the beginning is the end. This makes you feel a bit bewildered and makes you think, 'hang on, what's going on here?' So you go back, you retrace your steps and you find yourself at the same place you started at. They told you this is would happen when you walk a labyrinth, but you needed to experience it for yourself to understand thereby acquiring ancient knowledge.



"Image based culture is to thank for Jesus becoming primary again…this is what is happening. We become what we behold."



[DTW note: The Word of God which is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ which is the Word of God, has now been shoved to the back and repleaced with "Jesus the Image" or "Jesus of your imagination" as far as all those at PPP are concerned. The Image Jesus has now become the primary focus. Because each person has the truth inside them, they become what they imagine, they can become like like Christ - a god.]

“…Our thinking patterns actually mirror the things we use to think with…”




[DTW: PPP means this; once we have moved into the 'new,' our thinking actually goes back to the 'old', the way we used to think - like pagans where we worshipped creation and ourselves as part of creation]



“…Christianity is fundamentally a Communication Event. A God revealing God’s Self to the world. He used a variety of mediums to communicate that event: fire, scrolls, people, Jesus…




[DTW note: NO! God only used ONE way: The Word of God. The Word of God is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Word of God. The Words that God spoke in the Old Testament was Jesus Christ. The Words that were spoken in the New Testament was Jesus Christ.


The Word that was written into the book called the bible after Jesus Christ the Son of God rose from the dead is still the Word which is Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit speaks through the Word of God and nothing else.

You CAN NOT remove the Word from Jesus Christ the Son of God and you CAN NOT remove Jesus Christ the Son of God from the Word. If you remove on or the other you have nothing, absolutely nothing.






I do however wonder about this statement in more ways than one; "He used a variety of mediums to communicate that event: fire, scrolls, people, Jesus" If we are to go back to go forward does that mean that we go backwards from Jesus, to people, to scrolls and then to fire"?




So let's go backwards from:



Jesus Christ (Word of God)
People (Speak new words, supposedly inspired by 'god')
Scrolls (New message is written down as being the 'gospel')
And it all ends in Fire
Hmmm....well.....um....*speechless*]




“…the METHODS always change but the MESSAGE stays the same. Translation of Greek/Hebrew into English is a new Method, but the Message hasn’t changed. Bedrock foundation of which we navigate the changes of culture and be faithful to the message God has been given throughout history.




[DTW note: PPP says that the methods (the mediums of communication) changes but the message stays the same.

Again we are to remove the Word of God because it's not needed anymore; we have other methods of communication.] Which is a load of rubbish.




“…what McLuhan taught us is that the MEDIUM IS THE MESSAGE. The way you say something matters as much or more than WHAT you say.”




[DTW note: You see the Bible convicts people of sin, this is why the Bible needs to be removed by 'PPP and Friends' and replaced with people's loving words instead, where there is no conviction of sin and no need to repent of sin, because there is no such thing as sin. The Bible will soon be legally decaired hate speech. ]




“…Last supper: 12 people meet over wine in upper room and invite a guest to share what they believe and why…then it is their last supper. Omega course…12 week course in how to exit Christianity (in response to Alpha course) Lots of people wanting to exit…its about exiting toxic religion and getting to a place to ask any questions.”



[DTW note: well, that's pretty self explanatory.]



“A sermon is about helping people see this new creation with their own eyes.”




[DTW note: the message Satan is tryng to get across here is this; the idea is that you need to help people realise they have the message within them. Help them realise they have 'Christ' within them. The goal is for them to see themselves as a new creation through God's eyes or their own eyes (third eye located in the forehead/6th charka).




"The whole world is our rhetorical toolbox, because its all God’s"

[DTW note: This is Panentheism]




Some prefer the pantheistic belief whereas other prefer to believe in panentheism, Here are the definitions.

Panentheism: All (pan) is in God, yet God is transcendent over everything. (Notice the difference between panentheism and pantheism).




Some would assume that as everything in the universe (positioned in God) evolves, this unbiblical God would also evolve and grow in knowledge and complexity.



Pantheism: Everything is God and God is all. Since God is everything and everything is God, everything is sacred and interconnected.

“Preaching is a Transformational Art where you try to convince the social self the inner self.”



[DTW note: As per PPP, 'preaching' is now called Transformational Art (lol). Basically what they are saying is there is only one way to preach in this new age of ours and that is to get people to realise they are Christ. You need to convince the person on the outside to recognise the god on the inside]

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Apprising Ministries (Ken Silva) has this to say about PPP:



“For those who don’t know PPP was sponsored by Zondervan and hosted by Rob Bell, an icon in the

egregiously ecumenical Emerging Church de-formation of the Christian faith aka Emergent Church—


now morphing into Emergence Christianity—(EC). PPP also featured Bell’s friend,

and rapidly rising, EC darling Peter Rollins. As you’ll see from Rosebrough’s Biblical refutation of the mystic musings of Hipps, rooted as they are in corrupt Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism, we are dealing with a panentheistic neo-Gnosticism.

And after hearing Rosebrough turn over the rocks while observing the garbage of Eastern religion that Rob Bell allowed to be taught at PPP come


slithering into the Light of Scripture, Apprising Ministries now echoes Rosebrough’s dead-on-target assessment and admonition:



In the segment below from What on Earth Was Being Taught at Rob Bell’s Poets, Prophets, Preachers Conference?,



which aired on his Pirate Christian Radio network, Christian apologist Chris Rosebrough completely dismantles a deluded teaching by Shane Hipps from the recently concluded Poets Prophets Preachers (PPP) conference.”






Chris Rosebrough from Fighting for the Faith had this to say:

“This is not Christianity; this is Eastern mysticism… You believe this stuff!?


You are off the Christian reservation; you are now off-roading into other religions, and this is not Christianity—


nor is it even compatible with any of the truth claims Christianity—and, by the way:

You disagree with me; then go and get your Bible and show me from the Scriptures where Jesus taught any of this stuff;

where the Apostles taught any of this stuff, where the prophets taught any of this stuff, or where Moses taught any of this stuff.



From the Book of Genesis to the Book of Acts, you will not find any of this garbage in there.


This is not Christianity. Rob Bell, now, is openly allowing—and teaching—heresy, and Eastern religions; false religions at his so-called “church” up there in Grand Rapids.


This man is a dangerous threat to Christianity, and Zondervan needs to cut him loose and say, “No way; we have to stay by the Truth.

This is not orthodox Christianity. Rob Bell, we don’t care how much money we’re making from this guy. We’ve got to cut him loose; and basically, reprimand him and rebuke him.”





This is not not Christianity; this is panentheistic, Hinduistic, Eastern crap—this is not Christianity…


Our prayers go out to the folks there at Mars Hill [Bible Church], they are being deceived in the highest order of deception.


And anybody who would defend Rob Bell and Shane Hipps at [PPP], at this point, do not know what the Bible says or teaches;


they don’t have a clue about…Who Jesus is, and what He’s done for us on the Cross.”

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I concur with Ken and Chris. Just one little other thing I want to add.

Maybe Zondervan a division of Harper Collins should start by going backwards,

to move forwards by asking Harper Collins to remove the Satanic Bible from their publications list:


Satanic Bible by Anton La Vey.





And if need be Harper Collins can go back to their subsidiary company News Corporation

and ask them if they can move forward by going back to the storeroom and throw away all the Satanic Bibles they printed recently,


even the ones that go way back when.



Once they do this we can move forward from there. But somehow I don’t think we will see any movement at all.

Now that is what they call ‘Speaking in Circles’ it’s an art form that dates way back when…and is still used today. lol